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  1. #21
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    Larc Grumbles
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    I miss being able to tell my Faerie who to heal, and issuing commands to her while I'm already casting, too.

    Doubly so when I'm not in a party or in a 24 where the main tank (taking auto attacks) is not in my own.

    I think those changes to SCH hit the job at an even more foundational level than the offensive tools being pulled, because it changed how the job was able to tackle its own ROLE.

    The only healer actions that make any sense to be limited to party members are AoE heals because they're powerful enough already and Rescue to curb griefing at least somewhat.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    I miss being able to tell my Faerie who to heal, and issuing commands to her while I'm already casting, too.

    Doubly so when I'm not in a party or in a 24 where the main tank (taking auto attacks) is not in my own.
    Funny thing is, old embrace macros / telling the fairy who to heal is literally the basis for Kardia.

    SCH got it taken away, and SGE to the ability.

    On topic, I fully expect them to try to take away Energy Drain again in Dawntrail. There could actually be an easy way to do it if they did it right. Decouple Energy Drain from Aetherflow and just make Aetherflow give back the MP. Balance Energy Drain accordingly (I personally think it should be a 2 charge aoe with a a small drop off)
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Larc Grumbles
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    I wouldn't expect everyone to be aware because they've gone back and forth on it so many times, but current Aetherflow is 20% MP with Energy Drain restoring only HP and not MP.

    It's been this way since it was readded in ShB or EW launch.

    But, Kardia has the same problem Eos does, it can't heal people not in your party. Why the hell not? Healers are boring enough IN grouped content, they don't need even LESS they can do outside of it. Let 24 man bosses auto attack enough that SGEs in different alliances should want to Kardion the current tank, and then, ALLOW them to.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I wish Speed gets to be reworked in Dawntrail to be more attractive to a wider array of jobs, but not even sure what they can make of it if the current 2min meta keeps dominating the job design...
    It'd need some capacity to flex its excess and/or to be less bottlenecked by components that'd penalize being rushed. Or to just be straight up overpowered outside of considerations for rDPS/aDPS margining as to be worth taking despite the synergy lost.
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    I think they can get away with ED being removed, if they replace it with something that is 'what to use spare Aetherflow on, but not damage'. There will of course be the people who complain that 'great another avenue of skill expression gone', though. I would like to see a ST shield Flowspender, that can spread the shield via Deploy (so that we can apply a shield fully OGCD with another method than Consolation), and because it's a shield, if nothing else you can lob it at the MT to help them stay alive a bit more

    But, the fact that Energy Drain, clunky as it is, weak as it is, STILL gets so much pushback whenever it's removed, and the devs have to cave to such loud outcry about it, despite it being so 'bad' in terms of it's design, shows how little healers actually have besides ED. Like, I doubt the complaints about 'we need ED for skill expression' would be even remotely as loud if SCH had 'literally any other skill expression tools'. If the devs are so hellbent on removing it (as shown by all the times they've tried to, and then relented), then maybe they should consider replacing it with something interesting, instead of just removing it and leaving 'nothing lol' in it's place
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    I would quit this game if they removed Energy Drain from Scholar
    Your move, Square Enix
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    I think they can get away with ED being removed, if they replace it with something that is 'what to use spare Aetherflow on, but not damage'. There will of course be the people who complain that 'great another avenue of skill expression gone', though. I would like to see a ST shield Flowspender, that can spread the shield via Deploy (so that we can apply a shield fully OGCD with another method than Consolation), and because it's a shield, if nothing else you can lob it at the MT to help them stay alive a bit more
    But then a sage would just overwrite any shield you throw out anyways so why bother XD [semi joking but laughing but crying but laughing but...]
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    I would really love Selene's skill set to come back... But since they will never do that as they can't design fights where anything else other than the haste buff would be useful. So Shadow Flare would be a very welcome replacement.

    And while we're on the subject of bringing back Shadow Flare... Flaming Arrow for BRD please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    But, the fact that Energy Drain, clunky as it is, weak as it is, STILL gets so much pushback whenever it's removed, and the devs have to cave to such loud outcry about it, despite it being so 'bad' in terms of it's design, shows how little healers actually have besides ED.
    The complaints are less about skill expression and more about how SCH literally breaks when ED is removed. I played SCH from ShB early access until they gave us ED back, it was not fun, we were basically a Lustrate overheal bot. Sacred Soil and Excog are not useful all of the time, so ED is basically the only thing we can use for dumping extra Aetherflow stacks before refreshing. If they replaced ED with an Aetherflow dump that's reasonably useful in any circumstance, then the pushback for its removal would probably not be that big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Obviously making a parody of someone else is going to net a ban at some point. Not going to say it will be quick but it will happen.
    I feel like I know what are you talking about exactly & I don't think I can unsee that anymore.

    /playdead
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