Yup, Another Thread: I Hate Addons and SE Needs To Ban Players Who Use Them!

[TheRealMadruck]

(I am already expecting negative comments because so many on these forum users make excuses for those who cheat and violate TOS which more than likely includes themselves.)

Just today, I was in a 24 man raid tanking and during the first boss of such raid during a random mechanic that is not predictable...I noticed something strange about one of the other tanks. Every mechanic that had some form of aoe that is not predictable, they premoved to the best location to avoid it. I thought it was just latency on my end but viewers of mine(I don't have a large following but mostly people I play with) noticed the exact same thing.

This wasn't on just one boss, this continued to occur in the second and third boss as well. So I checked my playback and I noticed this player move 5+ secs before any indicator was available to even tell the raid there was going to be a mechanic. Reminder, this 24 man raids aoe for many bosses are not static mechanics, but are random on where and how they hit especially with this player moving even before the visual or audio prompts are even known.

If you use addons because you need to cheat, try not to make it so bloody obvious! Bottomline, I reported them with the video and I hope SE bans them permanantly. I hope one day SE finally cracksdown in some manner with these cheaters!

Addendum: My Replies-

Yeah, you conveniently missed the part where later in this thread the OP finally caved and told people the mechanic that roused their suspicions and people gave them multiple signs(including an obvious cast bar) that would explain the player in question's movements.

No!!! The multiple excuses from the few in this forum post thus far intentionally or not ignored what I directly stated. The cheater in question MOVED BEFORE ANY CAST BAR, BOSS MOVEMENT, BOSS TURNING, or any form of indicator what so ever. When we were in the middle of this fight, they moved away from the player who got targeted by the AOE during that phase of the fight before any VISUAL OR AUDIO QUES!!! They did this 5 seconds before the boss event for the aoe such as the cast bar or the boss moving even happened.

I stated this fact multiple times with every person you claimed "gave reasons" ignoring my own statements. So keep deluding yourself...I know what I observed for 20 minutes from this cheater during this Nier raid. So no matter how many of you who want to defend or placate cheaters in attempt to make me appear to be a liar...go for it! I'll let SE decide what the proper decision will be with the evidence I provided them!!!

Gonna put a big heavy "You have no evidence of anything" on the OP. Every fight in the game is scripted to heck and back, and roulette content like Nier raids will be something players have most likely done often enough to accurately preposition for mechanics.

Even up to the Ultimate level, you can accurately preposition for most mechanics and predict where and how to move far ahead of time--this is, in fact, the metagame of jobs with a lot of cast bars. No tool is really needed.

Then lets turn around and ask why someone would bother cheating in roulette content like 24 mans in the first place. Especially outdated roulette content. There are no leaderboards to cheat your way up, and with 24 people, one's own increased contributions don't amount to enough to go out of your way to install a timeline or anything.

We all agree cheaters should be removed from the game. However calling any and everything out as cheating when your only evidence is partial anecdote is only going to dilute what people think cheating is and cause witch hunts, and witch hunters are imo worse than cheaters.

Tldr: man cheating must be super common in low end content if you have to make up your example.

Yea...of course I have no evidence at all about people cheating using illegal addons in FF14. ;-|
O what's this? Is this a whole video search on Youtube about illegal addons and how people got caught using them: https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ry=ff14+addons

Yea...I for sure have no proof whatsoever that players use illegal addons at all in FF14...my story is beyond impossible...instead when even SE publishes a whole post about discussing this very problem: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...0c5d56cb2e4547

And do you genuinely believe the malarky you wrote that players who use such illegal addons won't use them in older content? Like what planet or game are you on? I guess those who use such illegal addons only use it for the most current content...makes pure sense! I guess the players in WoW must follow your same logic...they must not be using deadlybossmod for World of Warcraft at all for older content as well too huh?!?! （。々°）

Farm it repeatedly. Whilst the direction it turns may be 'random' (Aka generally facing into the dogile behind), the sequence absolutely isn't.

Could they have been using a timeline? Sure why not. But could they also have been trying to farm it for a specific piece of gear and were on the umpteenth run of the day, thus knew the mechanic was coming by references such as where they were in their rotation? Also very likely.

It's how 24 mans are.

Why does noone read my original statements. I know the Nier fights myself incredibly well! Yet I don't move away from aoes until I get some form of visual or audio indication of this fact. The cheater moved 5+ seconds away from the player targeted to the other side of the boss before any cast bar, boss movement, or boss turning, or any indicator happened what so ever. No amount of "farming" allows you to have powers of clairvoyance to move that early before a aoe event happens.

I think it's funny how they stopped replying and instead has started to respond in the OP itself.

At the end of the day even at worst case it's one mechanic, and I feel like they aren't being completely honest. The OP is way too invested in the fact that they think they've found a cheater and even if you somehow found every evidence to the contrary, they're not going to let it go because they refuse to be wrong.

Hey Neko...I have a secret for you...you ready? Are you truly ready? IT'S CALLED DAILY POST LIMITS! Aren't you shocked how a OP can only post a certain amount of times per day. Crazy right?
And as I said before, I don't care if you or anyone believes me. I know what I streamed and recorded. I turned the evidence over to SE and I will let them decide if I am "lying" or not since they are the only opinions I care about...and certainly not you!
As for "being wrong", look at my post history going back years...when I was mistaken on something, unlike many...I will admit it as I have in the past. But try harder next time to discredit the fact that illegal third party tools do exactly as I have seen and as many others have as well!

I think the OP pride himself so much on his skill and knowledge of the fight, that he can not fathom anyone can actually play better. So in order to protect his ego, the only acceptable conclusion is that anyone that seems to play better than him must be a cheater, 100%.

Yup...I guess you got me...I think that I am the pinnicle of skill in FF14. (>.<)

On a more serious note, these continued comments calling me a "liar", "egoist", "prideful" etc...is exactly why I use a alt toon for these forums. I can't even imagine the level of harassment I would get again for stating my observations.
BTW, to all the people calling me whoever Titanman is again...I love that you have to be that frail just to placate anyone who talks against illegal mods most of you I bet use as some forum troll. It demonstrates how much you actually don't care about others ability to express themselves or speak on what they factually observed to resort to false implications. GG!

-Yes we can see your post history. No where near daily cap.
-the fact you're still here replying contradicts you not caring
-you can still be wrong but your ego doesn't wanna let you admit it to yourself

O...I don't care what players like you think...at all! But I am not a coward to not reply to others who have nothing worthwhile to say other than smears and lies. I care about FF14, I don't like cheaters that ruin this game. And I will continue speaking out against cheaters as much as I can until SE does something to finally deal with them. I understand that players like you get triggered by those who speak out against cheats in this MMO. Tough!

[Bonoki]

I mean... I sort of get the general message and title of the thread. A crackdown on the mods does need to be done. However, this story is missing information and doesn't really give us enough information. It's possible depending on the fight that you can know where all the safe spots are beforehand.

[Daddyslittlevampire]

IF Se did da better job at supplying what the people want and obviously have use of, people wouldn't use the addons so its SE's own fault so don't ban anyone

[Noumenon]

(I am already expecting negative comments because so many on these forum users make excuses for those who cheat and violate TOS which more than likely includes themselves.)

Just today, I was in a 24 man raid tanking and during the first boss of such raid during a random mechanic that is not predictable...I noticed something strange about one of the other tanks. Every mechanic that had some form of aoe that is not predictable, they premoved to the best location to avoid it. I thought it was just latency on my end but viewers of mine(I don't have a large following but mostly people I play with) noticed the exact same thing.

This wasn't on just one boss, this continued to occur in the second and third boss as well. So I checked my playback and I noticed this player move 5+ secs before any indicator was available to even tell the raid there was going to be a mechanic. Reminder, this 24 man raids aoe for many bosses are not static mechanics, but are random on where and how they hit especially with this player moving even before the visual or audio prompts are even known.

If you use addons because you need to cheat, try not to make it so bloody obvious! Bottomline, I reported them with the video and I hope SE bans them permanantly. I hope one day SE finally cracksdown in some manner with these cheaters!

What boss is this? I highly doubt this story.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Which raid? Because I'm drawing a blank on intro bosses that aren't completely predictable if you fought them enough times.

[TheRealMadruck]

I mean... I sort of get the general message and title of the thread. A crackdown on the mods does need to be done. However, this story is missing information and doesn't really give us enough information. It's possible depending on the fight that you can know where all the safe spots are beforehand.

I promise you that the raid in question had mechanics that in no way could another player possibly know precisely where to move beforehand. If you are familiar with all FF14 raids and their mechanics, you can easily deliberate the possibilities. And I don't give further context and I use a alt toon on these forums for a reason. Believe me or not, it is your perogative.

[Noumenon]

I promise you that the raid in question had mechanics that in no way could another player possibly know precisely where to move beforehand. If you are familiar with all FF14 raids and their mechanics, you can easily deliberate the possibilities. And I don't give further context and I use a alt toon on these forums for a reason. Believe me or not, it is your perogative.

No offense but this makes it even more sus.

[Zeastria]

I promise you that the raid in question had mechanics that in no way could another player possibly know precisely where to move beforehand. If you are familiar with all FF14 raids and their mechanics, you can easily deliberate the possibilities. And I don't give further context and I use a alt toon on these forums for a reason. Believe me or not, it is your perogative.

Why can't you tell us the name of the raid?

[Anonemoose]

IF Se did da better job at supplying what the people want and obviously have use of, people wouldn't use the addons so its SE's own fault so don't ban anyone

Yeah I agree and you're absolutely right, Chloe. There's nothing wrong with most mods or addons - they are helpful utilities or purely cosmetic. There are some addons that allow people to cheat in PVE and PVP content (for example, autotargetting and stunlocking addons in PVP, or the addon described by OP) and that's the stuff that needs to be aggressively stamped out.

People need to stop being so intellectually lazy and painting all mods/addons with the same brush and having a melty every time somebody else uses some asinine addon. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The problem isn't mods and addons. The problem, as it always has been, is cheaters.

Inb4 some moron who cannot into reading comprehension says "but addons are against TOS!".

[Boblawblah]

However, this story is missing information and doesn't really give us enough information.

That is by design.