What do we have to look forward to with Dawntrail?

[Boblawblah]

With EW having the worst content droughts in the game's history, it really is helping players discover other games and they may not return for DT or stay for very long if they do. Unlike previous expansions, EW has had very little hooks to keep you playing and if DT continues the same direction, more and more players will simply drift away. The concept of taking a break to play other games is all fine and good but if you have to do it after every single patch (especially 2 weeks into the patch), there is a design problem as playing other games should only really be needed once and maybe twice per expansion cycle.

I'm not asking for Genshin level of player retention as that will burn out players with high levels of FOMO, but more like what we used to have in the past:
* Exploration zones - playing with lots of people is fun
* Relics - real relics not tome weapons, think HW style. I don't consider the EW relic a relic but a tome weapon, a relic should have some commitment. Also, for the love of the game, please start the relic at 7.0 or 7.1 not 7.3.
* Variant / Criterion dungeons with good rewards, better difficulty tuning and roulettes
* Expert roulettes with more dungeons - why do we have to have only 2, consider keep all of the current expansion experts in the cycle to keep it fresh as having one dungeon in the cycle for 9 months is boring
* Return to a 3 to 3.5 month patch cycle from the 4.5

What's funny is you say those things as if they're objectively good. Exploration zones, grindy relics, criterion dungeons, expert roulettes, I have no interest in whatsoever. If you could at least admit that this was just a personal preference, that'd be great, because not everyone thinks those things are all awesome by default.

As for the patch cycle, well, you might as well say "do better things faster". It's not going to happen.

[OgruMogru]

What's funny is you say those things as if they're objectively good. Exploration zones, grindy relics, criterion dungeons, expert roulettes, I have no interest in whatsoever. If you could at least admin that this was just a person preference, that'd be great, because not everyone thinks those things are all awesome by default.

As for the patch cycle, well, you might as well say "do better things faster". It's not going to happen.

If you have no interest in those activities, why do you care about other people having issues with them? If it's content you weren't going to engage with then the changes people want to see happen will never appeal or apply to you, surely? Why do you care about issues people have with parts of the game you don't engage with?

[Striker44]

With EW having the worst content droughts in the game's history...

I'm just gonna be frank here...when the "worst content drought in the game's history" is still significantly shorter than what are sometimes *regular* content droughts in other games...that's an unfortunate thing for the moment, but actually says good things about this game's production team.

[Boblawblah]

If you have no interest in those activities, why do you care about other people having issues with them? If it's content you weren't going to engage with then the changes people want to see happen will never appeal or apply to you, surely? Why do you care about issues people have with parts of the game you don't engage with?

I have issue with someone saying that EW is objectively worse and that the game needs to focus on those things instead, because I enjoyed EW, and I enjoy where FFXIV is currently heading. What I enjoy about FFXIV might not be for everyone though, and I freely admit that it's just my opinion. If you frame your wishes as objective truth, I'll speak up.

[OgruMogru]

I have issue with someone saying that EW is objectively worse and that the game needs to focus on those things instead, because I enjoyed EW, and I enjoy where FFXIV is currently heading. What I enjoy about FFXIV might not be for everyone though, and I freely admit that it's just my opinion. If you frame your wishes as objective truth, I'll speak up.

So it's a bit of a semantics issue then, I suppose! Because obviously the games not dying there's people playing etc etc but if every facet of the game that someone enjoys ends up being the victim of missteps or bad decisions then for them it does feel like the entire game is being ruined/declining. It's silly because that means a lot of squabbling and animosity could be avoided amongst people with different priorities if people just tacked "IMO" onto whatever they're complaining about or praising. Like it's kinda tiring trying to raise concerns or criticisms over granular parts of things like battle systems and combat stuff specifically and then having to defend that position from people that claim to have zero interest in it or that, without sounding like a prick, don't know any better, so it wouldn't ever affect them anyways. Every time someone says they have an issue and they have a chorus of people pipe up "well I'M having fun" really screams "screw you, I've got mine" and it makes it very hard to talk about issues with the game without it devolving into shit-slinging.

[Palladiamors]

I LOVE the new summoner btw.

You are the biggest white knight on this board so of course you do. And good for you, I'm glad. I hate it. Now stop being the sort of ninny I described, won't you?

[LioJen]

More G-Warrior (G-Savior) content please

[Mosha]

More G-Warrior (G-Savior) content please

This guy knows good content.

[OgruMogru]

More G-Warrior (G-Savior) content please

I really enjoyed the 3-GCDs worth of rhythm game mech battle we got recently, would love to see more ^^

[Boblawblah]

So it's a bit of a semantics issue then, I suppose! Because obviously the games not dying there's people playing etc etc but if every facet of the game that someone enjoys ends up being the victim of missteps or bad decisions then for them it does feel like the entire game is being ruined/declining. It's silly because that means a lot of squabbling and animosity could be avoided amongst people with different priorities if people just tacked "IMO" onto whatever they're complaining about or praising. Like it's kinda tiring trying to raise concerns or criticisms over granular parts of things like battle systems and combat stuff specifically and then having to defend that position from people that claim to have zero interest in it or that, without sounding like a prick, don't know any better, so it wouldn't ever affect them anyways. Every time someone says they have an issue and they have a chorus of people pipe up "well I'M having fun" really screams "screw you, I've got mine" and it makes it very hard to talk about issues with the game without it devolving into shit-slinging.

Agreed that being explicit with "I think" or "In my opinion" would defuse a lot of the animosity before it begins I'm bad at it myself, and yes, sometimes, you can assume someone is using the silent "imo", but a lot of times, it very much seems like they're acting as if what they're saying is the objective truth.

To be clear, and to answer the silly notion that I'm "the biggest white knight on these forums", I've had a ton of issues with FFXIV, and think I've mentioned them here on these forums before. (thanks for answering me in good faith btw, it's nice to not always just argue with people, I know I come across as condescending and dismissive sometimes/often).