Let's talk about Atma

[Folko]

Considering how long it took me to do this pre-nerf...yeah. It legitimately took me a couple of days to get all of mine, and even then, I got lucky. Now? It can be knocked out in an afternoon if your RNG is good, a bit longer if it's not. I'd say things are pretty good now.

Therein lies the problem: "If your RNG is good" my RNG is NEVER good. Ever. Period. I don't doubt that I'll EVENTUALLY get the item, but the amount of tries it takes for me compared to others is absurd. It's such dumb luck it's infuriating that I have to put in such effort for such little reward.

[Folko]

A lot of people keep repeating "you know it used to be worse, right?" Yes I know. But it's irrelevant to the point being made that the fact RNG even plays a role in getting your Atma relics is asinine. Doing all these FATEs takes time and you get nearly nothing for doing them more than half the time. I once spent over an hour doing 30+ FATEs in upper la noscea until I got ONE atma crystal. ONE. 30+ FATEs. Having to also wait for FATEs to respawn takes time, and when there are more people doing FATEs for their relics, it leaves less FATEs for me to do as well. This entire process is so time consuming without any seemingly worthwhile reward.

[Vahlnir]

This entire process is so time consuming without any seemingly worthwhile reward.

Your reward is progressing your relic. The same as it was for all of us back in the day. ARR relics were designed to be a monumental task, even after the nerfs. Everything is as it should be.

[Musashidon]

Your reward is progressing your relic. The same as it was for all of us back in the day. ARR relics were designed to be a monumental task, even after the nerfs. Everything is as it should be.

it wasn't then and still isn't now. a fake grind isn't monumental it's boring.

[Jeeqbit]

Grinding fates can be relaxing as well.

[Folko]

Since I hate my life, I decided I'm just sticking in one zone until I get all the crystals before moving on to the next but it's still ridiculous with the drop rate being, or rather not being what it is.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I remember completing a couple ARR relics when they were new. Was definitely a little bit of a time investment back then. Did a few later after the process steps had been hit with a number of nerfs and it was considerably faster. However there was a more noticeable feeling of accomplishment with the ones finished before all the quest nerfs.

[DiaDeem]

I don't mean to be condescending but... you seriously have no idea what you're talking about if you think current ATMA is bad. Nowadays, you can finish your 12 ATMA grind in just a couple hours. You'd be lucky to get A SINGLE DROP within 4 - 6 hours of grinding when it was new. Drop rates were so low that people thought the quest was broken. We used to have theories as to what made some ATMAs drop faster, such as... Rain makes it more likely to get an ATMA in La Noscea. Non of that was ever true, but we were just coping with how bad it actually was.

Don't get me wrong, after making a few Zetas when they were current and after farming 1080 FATEs for all ShB relics, I also hate FATE grinding, but the truth is that current ATMA is one of the most mild proper grinds the game has to offer these days.

[Nebelheim]

I don't mean to be condescending but... you seriously have no idea what you're talking about if you think current ATMA is bad. Nowadays, you can finish your 12 ATMA grind in just a couple hours. You'd be lucky to get A SINGLE DROP within 4 - 6 hours of grinding when it was new. Drop rates were so low that people thought the quest was broken. We used to have theories as to what made some ATMAs drop faster, such as... Rain makes it more likely to get an ATMA in La Noscea. Non of that was ever true, but we were just coping with how bad it actually was.

Don't get me wrong, after making a few Zetas when they were current and after farming 1080 FATEs for all ShB relics, I also hate FATE grinding, but the truth is that current ATMA is one of the most mild proper grinds the game has to offer these days.

I remember all the theories people came up with for atma. All the theories reminded me of all the crazy theories people would come up with in ff11 for crafting success rates.

[Ravenblade1979]

Atma step has you needing to have that relic equipped while doing the fates to get said atma drop. If you don't then yeah, enjoy hours of no drops.

I recently did this step on paladin amd took me 1-2 hours max