Rethinking Dungeon Roulettes

[Zatoh]

I was actually thinking about the name "capstone roulette" yesterday, and I'm glad someone else had the same idea! It makes a lot more sense than expecting "Adventurer Dungeons" and "Warrior of Light Dungeons" to be meaningful distinctions, since all player characters are always both adventurers and warriors of light. I would much rather see "Story Dungeons" and "Capstone Dungeons." (The crowning points of the story are capstone, though, so maybe keeping the "Leveling" name is fine, or finding a better word for "not capstone.") I hope you realize that words have meaning, and "the game does not already use that term for something else" is a good thing.

[Korbei]

I'm not claiming my suggestions are good. I even said as much when I suggested them. But the terms "Adventurer" and "Warrior of Light" are actual nomenclature used within this game and they're delineated pretty clearly by time. You're a lowly everyday Adventurer when you start out. You become known as the Warrior of Light by the end of ARR. Therefore ARR = Adventurer. Post-ARR = Warrior of Light.

Capstone is not a term that is used in this game. It's a term that is used in one other game that is a few months old and doesn't mean anything here. We have not adopted this term in the larger vernacular of video games.

[BiffWellington]

I'd like to see some sort of rework of the roulettes. Nobody is queueing up for the Shadowbringers trials, which makes them impossible to do in the Duty Finder. I had to ask my FC for help with Crown of the Immaculate last weekend, and it looks like I'll have to ask them for help again with The Dying Gasp.

Am I correct in guessing that this is just how it's going to be going forward? Nobody queueing for MSQ trials from level 79 on? This must be really rough for people who aren't in a nice, big, active, friendly FC.

[Zatoh]

Nobody queueing for MSQ trials from level 79 on?

I think all the MSQ trials are part of both Trials Roulette and Mentor Roulette. I have done those trials you named through the Duty Finder as a DPS, and I was not queuing unreasonably long. I do think trials can be incentivized more, though.

Your particular issue might have more to do with your data center. Am I correct in saying you were queuing on Marilith, one of the Dynamis world servers? The Dynamis data center is the newest and least-populated of the data centers for the Americas, and in my experience, queuing for trials, alliance raids, and PvP is not popular there. People tend to rely on the Party Finder more heavily for finding groups for specific content, and the Phoenix Down Project plans events as if the entire data center was one big free company.

I have no idea what the infrastructure looks like, but I wonder if improvements can be made to the way the duty servers behave, so data centers within the same region can act like one big data center rather than having jarringly different user experiences.

[Kuroka]

Ive always said it sucks to put ALL the x0 dungeons into one roulette... you get dragged down too far and the rewards are lousy.. id much rather have more rouletts split up and a choice.
Lets face it, either ppl just wont do the roulette (i knew many ppl back then that would refuse to do 50/60 because they hated the lv 50 ones) or force cap their tome by hunts/doing the highest dungeon X times.

If someone wants to level he will do stuff. If he wants to cap tome, we will do so.


Id also much rather have the alliance raids split up into their own rouletts... and maybe an real MSQ roulette where all the story relevant stuff gets put.


But overall i miss the 2 ex dungeons per patch too much... having one always for two patches makes me not wanna do the 90 roulette at all...

[Jojoya]

I'd like to see some sort of rework of the roulettes. Nobody is queueing up for the Shadowbringers trials, which makes them impossible to do in the Duty Finder. I had to ask my FC for help with Crown of the Immaculate last weekend, and it looks like I'll have to ask them for help again with The Dying Gasp.

Am I correct in guessing that this is just how it's going to be going forward? Nobody queueing for MSQ trials from level 79 on? This must be really rough for people who aren't in a nice, big, active, friendly FC.

It's a data center issue if you're queuing on Dynamis. Most of the endgame players head to Aether to do things, leaving few higher level players behind that are queueing for the roulettes that usually fill duties.

There are several mentors that try to keep an eye on Dynamis Party Finder for players trying to get first time clears for MSQ so if you list the trials in PF going forward, you'll have a lot more luck than queueing solo for a trial. If a mentor joins a party that is filling slowly, they'll announce to other mentors in Novice Network.

If trying to do it through Party Finder isn't comfortable for you, your best bet would be to use data center travel to Aether to do a trial.

[BiffWellington]

Thanks for the information, Zatoh and Jojoya! I'm glad to hear that it's not affecting everyone everywhere.

In some ways, though, it might've been better for me if it were affecting everyone everywhere, because then there would be a need to fix it by improving the incentives to do the Trials Roulette. But if it's just a part of my server's culture... ugh, there might not be such a need to fix it. Different servers prioritize different facets of the game, after all.

Thanks for the tip about trying Party Finder instead of Duty Finder, Jojoya! I hadn't considered that as a possibility. I may or may not look into that when I reach the next trial in the post-Shadowbringers quests. Depends on how busy my stronger FC members are at that moment, I guess.

[kajv95]

My wishes for a Dawntrail Roulettes Rework:

- Level 100 Dungeons and Expert Roulette should be folded into the same thing entirely. It barely made sense to keep the two apart, it makes less sense now that Expert is only ever 2 dungeons.
- Main Scenario Roulette can stay, fold Crystal Tower raids into it (make it two tanks again. Not like it really matters that much.) OR start making the other Alliance Raids, bar maybe the Nier ones, mandatory. Not immediately, just over time.
- 50/60/70/80/90 Dungeons should just be folded into Leveling Roulette.
- Daily Challenge: Frontline becomes a general PvP roulette. Loading into Rival Wings, Frontline or Crystalline.
- Abolish Guildhests Roulette
- Normal Raids and Trials stay the same. Trials Raid Max Level Tomes bonus increases from 15 -> 20 because I don't like uneven numbers

Now for some more "out there" suggestions:
- Add a charge system to the duty roulettes so you're not punished for missing one or two days. 2 or 3 charges max, keeping you playing for longer if you missed a day and populating the queues slightly more on the other day if you did.
- If not a Charge System, add a system where you can do a roulette multiple times but get diminishing returns. Get 100% Bonus for first clear, 40% Bonus for Second Clear, 10% for Third Clear onwards.

[ZoeLoona]

I agree they gotta look into it, in my opinion they should rework Expert roulette so it includes ALL THE (normal) CONTENT from Current Expansion, be it Alliance Raids, Normal Raids, Trials and Dungeons. Level 90 (or level cap) roulette is something I always skip.