Remove Praetorium

[tsuchii]

Can we just remove it in the dailies/duties/mentor roulette? Why do people need to suffer this "duty". It's a LONG cutscene, with tiny bits of duty in between. If people want to re-watch/relive Praetorium, they can use the Unending Journey. Noone should be shoved cutscenes to their faces. Let Praetorium in duty support or a solo duty.

If the goal is to help someone with MSQ, why not add a roulette that forces you to come in a dungeon where someone is new to an MSQ trial/dungeon? That's still Main Scenario roulette, technically. Anything is better than getting Praetorium. At least Ultima Weapon trial and Castrum Mediranium only has one cutscenes in between battles.

[Carin-Eri]

If you think about it, the answer isn't really "remove Praetorium" - its 'make the cutscenes within it skippable'.

[Neoyoshi]

If you think about it, the answer isn't really "remove Praetorium" - its 'make the cutscenes within it skippable'.

There's a reason those aren't skippable anymore; there was a charm to that past, but it's best left in the past- that dungeon was hugely problematic when the cutscenes were skippable.

[Carin-Eri]

There's a reason those aren't skippable anymore; there was a charm to that past, but it's best left in the past- that dungeon was hugely problematic when the cutscenes were skippable.

Fair enough.

Have to confess that I was unaware that they ever were skippable. That clearly predates my time in the game.

[Stepjam]

Fair enough.

Have to confess that I was unaware that they ever were skippable. That clearly predates my time in the game.

Yep. When it was skippable, new players basically faced a choice. Either watch the cutscenes or play the content. They couldn't do both. And some more veteran players would take it a step farther and kick anyone who chose to watch cutscenes because all they cared about was getting in and getting out. And that's no way to experience the climax of the story you've spent dozens of hours on.

So yeah, they made the cutscenes unskippable, but that made the length of the MSQ dungeons pretty long. About 45 minutes long. But to compensate, they gave those roulettes pretty big EXP returns (like half a level). But then came the endless complaints about how long the dungeons took.

I think we are in the sweet spot with the recent changes. None of them are too long anymore, but they still give good exp.

[george357]

have fun holding your breath waiting for this to happen.

[CNitsah]

If you think about it, the answer isn't really "remove Praetorium" - its 'make the cutscenes within it skippable'.

As someone who had the worse experience first time I did Praetorium (old version, but even with unskippable cutscene) because everyone rushing and me diying (I didn't know we were "supposed" to skip all the adds before the the first boss, so didn't take the tp), I think that's an awful idea. I felt I was robbed of the ending of the game I gueninely loved. Make the cutscene skippable, and that's what you will get (that's already the reason why they made them unskippable, long ago, they were). A lot of players are already not able to wait 15 seconds when a first timer watch the boss introduction cutscene in dungeons, so wait 5 min for a cutscene, no way.

[UkcsAlias]

If the goal is to help someone with MSQ, why not add a roulette that forces you to come in a dungeon where someone is new to an MSQ trial/dungeon? That's still Main Scenario roulette, technically. Anything is better than getting Praetorium. At least Ultima Weapon trial and Castrum Mediranium only has one cutscenes in between battles.

MSQ roulette was a roulette dedicated towards cutscene heavy msq duties. Prae belongs there. The main issue is that unlike the other 2 duties, its still heavily outbalanced in cutscene vs combat (its not the number of cutscenes, its the time spent in them). This used to be diffirent when castrum also had a cutscene everywhere.

Skipping cutscenes would void the entire use for this duty roulette, since its designed in such way players wouldnt be forced to skip the cutscenes or be complained about. Worse is, if new players would skip these cutscenes, they would actualy also miss out on some story parts that are relevant later on.

Its also only just the 2nd boss in it that realy is a problem as that cutscene is excessively long compared to the others. Personaly i think it would have been better if he already started to talk to you while you are still walking towards him, so a lot of text is already given, so the cutscene itself is reduced. Its not like the walking part faces any difficulty either (especialy compared to castrum, which on that does at least involve a little bit of dodging).

[Jojoya]

Can we just remove it in the dailies/duties/mentor roulette? Why do people need to suffer this "duty". It's a LONG cutscene, with tiny bits of duty in between. If people want to re-watch/relive Praetorium, they can use the Unending Journey. Noone should be shoved cutscenes to their faces. Let Praetorium in duty support or a solo duty.

If the goal is to help someone with MSQ, why not add a roulette that forces you to come in a dungeon where someone is new to an MSQ trial/dungeon? That's still Main Scenario roulette, technically. Anything is better than getting Praetorium. At least Ultima Weapon trial and Castrum Mediranium only has one cutscenes in between battles.

No.

Stop queuing for MSQ roulette if it bothers you that you might get Praetorium.

Mentor roulette exists exactly for the purpose of helping others get their duties completed.

If you think about it, the answer isn't really "remove Praetorium" - its 'make the cutscenes within it skippable'.

No, the answer is "Don't queue for roulettes when you know that duties you dislike have a high chance of being chosen." The bonus for MSQ roulette is so high specifically because of the extra time it takes to get through the cutscenes.

[DPZ2]

Ah. Another "get rid of it because ... cutscenes" thread.

The MSQ Roulette serves two important purposes:

1. It is the quickest method for leveling past 50 for time invested, because the XP is commensurate with the time. You can, for instance, gain almost enough XP as a new level-89 job to allow you to reach level 90. It is much lower at lower levels, but the premise is still the same.

2. It is one of the easiest method for receiving Mog Treasure tomestones, as it grants more of them per instance. Want something that requires 50 tomestones? Run 8 instances of MSQ roulette vs. 16 for those instances that grant 2 or 3 tomestones each.

The real truth is most players don't need to queue for the MSQ Roulette at all. There are plenty of other ways to obtain XP.