Gamespot interview with Mr. Ozma... Very disappointing

[FenyxRising]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ho.../1100-6517559/

It looks like they do not see any issue with the two minute meta and they think having giant bosses that give you uptime for free is the way to go. It's very disappointing to see them not at all recognizing how stale Savage and job design is.

I have the impression that more players enjoyed resolving mechanics while attacking the boss, and I feel the same way when I play the raids myself, so a lot of bosses are designed for maintaining uptime nowadays.

No thank you Mr. Ozma. You design bosses so that anyone can maintain uptime without even trying. What players want is for maximum uptime to be possible but require a lot of skill to pull off, like O8S, you know, back when uptime was actually something players fought to achieve, and required players to pull off difficult solutions to mechanics to get their uptime. Sadly... in today's Savage raids anyone can get 100% uptime by just breathing oxygen.

[Raikai]

It looks like they do not see any issue with the two minute meta

About that in specific, he just mentions that the 2min meta is something they need to keep in mind when designing fights. It doesn't indicate whether or not they have plans with the 2min meta in the future.

[Lyth]

I wouldn't have picked O8S as an example of a 'challenging' uptime fight. Most of the modern simplifications to raid design have their origins in the Omega raid series, including self-positioning bosses. Players don't need to be able to achieve the 'theoretical maximum' uptime for a fight - if nobody can pull it off perfectly, you have a skill differential. They should just keep the boss targetable and see what players are capable of achieving.

It would be nice to see more of the 'reaction-driven' mechanics that Nakagawa was discussing. P12S had some interesting mechanics, but it felt like they deliberately slowed the second part down a bit too much.

[Bonoki]

I can't really say I'm surprised that Dawntrail is looking to be a carbon copy of Endwalker. They said before that the job designs were essentially perfect in their opinion aside some tweaks. It only makes sense they felt the same way about the combat as well since they go hand and hand with each other.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I can't really say I'm surprised that Dawntrail is looking to be a carbon copy of Endwalker. They said before that the job designs were essentially perfect in their opinion aside some tweaks. It only makes sense they felt the same way about the combat as well since they go hand and hand with each other.

Yes a few have said this. I think it’s time some admit at last that they just have subs for the hours and hours a day they get on the forums. Lol

[vetch]

About that in specific, he just mentions that the 2min meta is something they need to keep in mind when designing fights. It doesn't indicate whether or not they have plans with the 2min meta in the future.

But if they were getting rid of it, would they need to keep it in mind?

[ElysiumDragon]

The 2 minute meta likely exists because it makes for much easier job balancing as a whole, as you have a fixed scenario you can test jobs inside of.

[Supersnow845]

The 2 minute meta likely exists because it makes for much easier job balancing as a whole, as you have a fixed scenario you can test jobs inside of.

It also exasperates issues and makes variance harder to balance against

In the current two minute meta a crit during the burst window of a DPS 1300 potency skill (so enkindle or hyosho ranryu) completely covers a healer never touching their dot in the entire fight. This level of variance would also cover approx 9 broken combos or 2 completely missed stardiver potency oGCD’s

When you can do a 75th per tier rotation and get a 90 because of crit luck in the burst window then something is wrong with the balance design

[Shurrikhan]

It also exasperates issues and makes variance harder to balance against.

That... has very little to do with the particular timing of raid buffs (to per 2 minutes or otherwise) and almost everything to do with the likes of Communio and especially Hyosho Ranryu just having absurdly high effective potency for a single Crit/DHit roll.

Our nukes are excessively dense. That's not a 2-minute meta issue though.

When you can do a 75th per tier rotation and get a 90 because of crit luck in the burst window then something is wrong with the balance design

This, likewise, has far more to do with there being little uptime optimizations and fewer contextual-rotational optimizations to be done in a given fight, not the 2-minute meta unless the difference in skill expression available between Stormblood and Endwalker were solely in how well one banked resources (most of which one couldn't bank anyways back in Stormblood) for minor/off-sync raid buffs (i.e., any raid buff which did not create or add to any of the highest density periods of effective damage amplification).

It'd be a lot easier to solve issues like these... if we didn't conflate them to high hell.

We lack for contextual skill expression, largely due to excessive fight simplifications. That's an independent issue from the "2-minute meta" though.

In the current two minute meta a crit during the burst window of a DPS 1300 potency skill (so enkindle or hyosho ranryu) completely covers a healer never touching their dot in the entire fight. This level of variance would also cover approx 9 broken combos or 2 completely missed stardiver potency oGCD’s

The maximally amped crit skill can cover that much potency, sure, but that's not the difference of the crit itself -- you're measuring the effective potency of the entire action there (and likely also failing to account for actual effective potency --as per damage traits-- of what you're comparing it against).

Each Dia is worth 526.5 effective potency. The crit on a Hyosho Ranryu is worth some 676-1014 potency depending on one's Crit stat (+40 to +60% for those numbers). That crit covers less than 1 minute of healer DoT usage, not "the entire fight."

That is still way too much, imo, but... it's nowhere close to what you're saying. "Upwards of 38.5 seconds" =/= "the entire fight".

[ThaCa]

If uptime is free, then why ranged tax still exists?