Thread: 7.0 FATE changes you want?

Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

Imo FATEs are horrifically underutilized.

Depends. They are underutilized if you, yourself, do not use them...

1. FC seal grinds.
2. Relic grinds often ask you to do them.
3. Leveling.
4. Involved in some S rank spawn conditions.
5. Certain ones in ARR are used for beast tribes, hunt bills or relics.
6. Each area has an achievement boss fate that is intended for 8 people (except Endwalker).
7. Each expansion has two superboss FATEs like Chi and Daivadipa intended for maybe 24+ people that drop an item to exchange for rewards.
8. Starting with Shadowbringers, each area has a Shared FATE rank so you can farm ground mount speed increases, orchestrons, minions, TT cards, materia, materials, and certificates that you exchange for a mount and some wings.

So what would you like to see changed about fates in dawntrail?

The return of achievement FATEs, I guess. Can't think of much else.

Some people want them to use the sort of mechanics they saw in Bozja, and actually there is one that does in Ultima Thule with an orb mechanic and another with a rotate mechanic, so these are a start from just simple conal AoEs.

I think if they went as far as making Critical Engagements, that the problem with this is those are designed more like dungeon bosses where they actually think of some fancy mechanics rather than just a simple conal, circle or target AoE, and they might see that as needing to take resources from something else (such as one of the expert dungeons we get at release).

Improvements to the FATEs themselves, primarily, such as...

• scaling from players present, rather than from the last FATE completed;
  
  
• tighter and more conditional scaling checks (e.g., additional healers joining combat = more/stronger heal checks added; more tanks joining combat = more tank checks added);
  
  
• allowing for additional tanks to be actually useful (such as by letting Provoke work, even if in some differently limited way, so that additional tanks aren't --at best-- merely on-death replacements for the first);
  
  
• better ways to hide correction to said scaling (as more players, at given item levels, reach the fight or the output-done-per-second (OTPS) divided by Expected-OTPS, or specific parts thereof, passes or falls below certain thresholds, etc.), such as bosses having self-sustain or changing units (to a new health bar) upon the destruction of some outer layer, or additional adds being summoned, etc.;
  
  
• more varied music, be that via intensity/phase and/or per zone the FATE is in, or whatever else; and
  
  
• more interesting encounters in themselves, in terms of mechanics and integration of objectives vs. the killing itself.

Rift had a mechanic much like Fates here in which you have minor, mid-tier, and large scale.

What happens is an area will have a Rift open and you and your group would work together to put it down. Some were soloable and others required help or be geared.

Then you got the large scale that is zone wide in which everyone in the zone spreads out to take on multiple threats at the same time. It usually ends with a world boss popping up and all units converge to take out the singular threat.

Edit: forgot to mention one can start small and just explode into an extreme version of a non-invasion level Rift if just many people are active in it. They also aren't level dependent so you can do one in the baby starting area as a max level and it still be a challenge cause everything is attuned to the individual.

This might be dumb but honestly, more than anything. I just want new FATE music. I'm tired of going into the new expansions and still listening to the same FATE themes in every FATE.

I'd love to have boss fates like Bozja in the open world. Actual mechanics. Endless chaos. Perfection. Bozja wasn't everyone's cup of tea. I get that. However, I personally think that they finally made Fates in those instances what they should have been all along. They would still have to scale, obviously.