Thread: I hope the Writing doesn't remain like it did from Post 5.0 to Now (post 6.0)

Originally Posted by Cleretic

Was there a primal there...? I'm wracking my brain (and Triple Triad card collection) for any primals in the First, and I'm coming up blank outside of the Warrior of Light, who was hardly a regular or longstanding event.

You travel on the leviathan to the tempest

Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

You travel on the leviathan to the tempest

First of all, that's Bismarck, not Leviathan. Second of all, that Bismarck was a fae, not a primal. Best guess is the primal Bismarck came from the Vanu Vanu telling stories about having seen the Source's version of the fae Bismarck.

You could see the cure from tempering as leaping off of Beq Lugg's work. As they had been working on trying to find a cure that could reverse the effects of the illness the Voeburt court mage was spreading. As that curse turned people into things that looked like voidsent. All this happening before the flood of light. So when we bring them on a trip out to the Inn at Journey's Head and introduce them to Halric they already have knowledge about how those who are turning into a sin eater looks like and how it works. That it sounds very similar as to what what describes Ga Bu's condition is what makes Alisaie ask if said treatment could work for other ailments that check off a lot of the same boxes. So the cure for tempering came from research that's over 100 years old.

I think it's insane that people are saying the cure for tempering came "out of nowhere" or "too quickly". My brother in christ we had to travel to a whole different dimension, in which time moves in a very different way so for all we know they could've been researching that for way longer than us.
We talked to Beq Lugg who's that shard's incarnation of one of the most brilliant minds in the Source (Matoya).
Said shard also went through an apocalyptic event which certainly boosted the need for innovation/research.

And we did all of that just to get an inspiration as to what the cure for tempering could be, which we later presented to other brilliant minds in the Source.
It makes no sense to say it just "happened suddenly" or that it was convenient for the writers. What else did you want?!

Up to the end of 6.0 I thought the wiriting was well done and I did not mind Zodiark was defeat at 83. We learn that he was never evil to begin with and did OP forget we learn in SHB that the ascians ar enot evil just to be evil? They believed we were a lesser being and wanted to rejoin our souls into one.

After 6.0 yes, I think the writing has took a MAJOR dip. Zero is boring, I don't feel threatened by the Voidsent any more. I like hearing about the history of the world BEFORE the ascians destroyed it, wish we had more of that and less of Zero. I feel like they ended the ascian story and now we are getting Zero fanservice and I am not a fan.

it's perfectly balanced:
Stormblood x0 was meh and post expansion great
EW x0 was great and post expansion meh
Planned since 1.0

Originally Posted by Cleretic

spare a thought for the people who didn't like Emet-Selch

I came out of my happy single-player bubble of playing Shadowbringers for the first time, and was seriously confused by all the "greatest villain ever" fanning over Emet-Selch. As far as I was concerned, this guy had been introduced as a nasty manipulative person towards Varis in the Stormblood patches; spent most of Shadowbringers oscillating between "why won't you trust me" and giving us a million reasons not to, culminating in shooting my character's close friend and being quite pleased about the prospect of her turning into a monster that would serve his purposes.

And then, for some reason, the game took a left turn into a too-little-too-late "oh, you were close friends once, isn't it tragic that you're enemies now" which didn't come off well when I was furious at the guy for near-killing my actual friend. (Plus I wasn't keen on the whole reveal that Ascians are just people and not some kind of eldritch immortal force.)

Sure he was a tragic villain in the end, but he only ever felt secondary to the actual core characters and relationships of the story, being G'raha, the Scions and Ardbert.

So all of that, and then coming out to find people talking like the juxtaposition of our character and Emet being the core of the story felt like I'd stepped into discussion of a parallel game and not what I'd actually played.

Originally Posted by Iscah

I came out of my happy single-player bubble of playing Shadowbringers for the first time, and was seriously confused by all the "greatest villain ever" fanning over Emet-Selch.

Oh yeah, I was in much the same position, and I made a 20+ minute video about why. I might've actually been even harsher on him than you were, because I never really saw him as a 'tragic villain' (or a tragic hero as some people try to say he was); until 5.2 when we saw the Anamnesis recording I was basically certain that everything he told us was a lie, because the only thing saying that he wasn't lying was himself, and this was a guy that verifiably lies to people to get them to do what he wants. I still didn't really buy most of it after 5.2, either, I just at some point accepted that they expected me to.

I never really warmed to him, and I'm pretty sure he's my least favorite 'core content' villain in the game, I just generally mellowed out about the situation over time; people have their blorbos, and I can't really argue that away from them. But a big part of my response was absolutely, as I said, the fact that when it was Emet Time it was nothing but Emet Time, there was no alternative programming.