Thread: Bring back deleveling in 2.0

Honestly, I'm on the fence about it. It had both good and bad features. Games that punish stupidity and recklessness usually have a much smarter and cautious userbase, while it was easily avoidable in FFXI if you actually did any kind of merit parties.

If anything it should be a longer weakness period if you use return while "unconscious" (but not when raised by a non-Cnj/Whm). I actually don't agree with the gear damage, it's pointless and only really hurts newer players. But that's just IMO.

Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

And this is relevant.... how?
I just find it funny someone who gets PL'd is calling for "hardcore" game mechanics.

You don't need to add things from other games to make the game cater to the hardcore players. I've leveled all my jobs to 50 and I'd like to keep them there. At 50.

Depends on your definition of hardcore.
Someone who plays all day, every day?
Someone who takes every advantage of the game including shortcuts to get to endgame asap?
Someone who has all jobs to 50?
Or maybe someone who wants more hardcore features such as deleveling?

Leveling in FFXIV is empty and shallow. You can do it all solo, unlike the forced parties that you had to join/make in FFXI. I'd skip the boring part so I can get to the good part; endgame.

Exp loss/deleveling doesn't foster a particularly helpful environment. I had a terrible time getting help for things in FFXI if there was a chance that the people who didn't need the mission/fight might die during it (until SE removed the death penalty for mission BCNMs, anyway).

I was really happy when FFXIV came out and had durability loss instead of exp loss. I can always pay people for the repair costs they might incur from helping me, but I can't pay them back lost exp.

Better yet, each death = automatic level loss! Mohahaha!

Originally Posted by Neomarl

Depends on your definition of hardcore.
Someone who plays all day, every day?
Someone who takes every advantage of the game including shortcuts to get to endgame asap?
Someone who has all jobs to 50?
Or maybe someone who wants more hardcore features such as deleveling?

Leveling in FFXIV is empty and shallow. You can do it all solo, unlike the forced parties that you had to join/make in FFXI. I'd skip the boring part so I can get to the good part; endgame.

Coming from someone who Powerlevels, this is meaningless. I know plenty of people, myself included who enjoyed the journey and I am helping quite a few people on their own journey and they are enjoying it.
And there is where you draw the line between FFXIV and FFXI. In XIV you have options, in XI you don't. I like it how it is, the devs like it how it is, most people like it how it is. Open to your own playstyle.
Who's to say that the end game is the bad part? I've become intensely bored with end game to the point that I only really do it if someone needs an extra person. It's all point of view and also, you're not arguing for your point here. Why would you add deleveling if leveling is shallow in the first place?

Also, to your earlier insinuation that I don't play as much as you do, you really should do some fact checking.

Dear god, no, do NOT NOT NOT bring exp loss or de-leveling to this game. Just DON'T.

Originally Posted by Neomarl

Depends on your definition of hardcore.
Someone who plays all day, every day?
Someone who takes every advantage of the game including shortcuts to get to endgame asap?
Someone who has all jobs to 50?
Or maybe someone who wants more hardcore features such as deleveling?

Leveling in FFXIV is empty and shallow. You can do it all solo, unlike the forced parties that you had to join/make in FFXI. I'd skip the boring part so I can get to the good part; endgame.

Wouldn't people just PL right back up again though? In which case, I fail to see the point. Or are we talking about some point in the future when PL isn't possible?