Thread: Bring back deleveling in 2.0

SE brings back de-leveling → So long and thanks for all the fish! My money, you can't have it anymore.

i would express my point of view and many other people would debate me... well.... would like developers say something about this. as this game havent had exp penalty since begining when Tanaka was director, wonder what the director thinks about this.

But well they havent changed it so maybe they like the idea of no exp penalty. just my guessing.

Where was that thread about "Hardcore/Diehard fan/Legacy mode"? That thread had all the epic ideas to bring back just for the people who wants them! (Epically bad or good is a whole 'nother matter)

No thanks to de-leveling. The most annoying thing in FFXI was doing some event, de-level, and be under the required level for your gear and have to do the rest of the event half naked.

Why is there even a need for a massive death penalty? I can't think of any reason, and that is most likely why most MMOs are doing away with them now. Death is a penalty in itself, especially in a timed dungeon run. A full wipe even more so.

Personally, seeing as fatigue was one of the first things abolished after Yoshi-P came on board as the new director/producer of FFXIV, I never see this being added and I am thankful for that.

Originally Posted by Nikita

No thanks to de-leveling. The most annoying thing in FFXI was doing some event, de-level, and be under the required level for your gear and have to do the rest of the event half naked.

Why is there even a need for a massive death penalty? I can't think of any reason, and that is most likely why most MMOs are doing away with them now. Death is a penalty in itself, especially in a timed dungeon run. A full wipe even more so.

Personally, seeing as fatigue was one of the first things abolished after Yoshi-P came on board as the new director/producer of FFXIV, I never see this being added and I am thankful for that.

HA, really? So you are saying you feel like "FRICK DANG IT DIED OMGS NOOOOOOOO", every time you die? Pretty sure you have died over 1000 times, pretty sure you only felt a few of those deaths.

Death is a big thing, it shouldn't be taken lightly.

There is already punishment for dieing like crazy. It's called "Brink of Death" which basically makes you completely ineffective in battle, in which most important battles are timed.

And, unlike in FFXI where intentional wiping is a completely valid tactic, here death of a group means automatic failure of an instance. So the punishment for death is more substantial here than before.

Again, there's no real reason to do it here, at all. Those who are goal-driven value not dieing, especially those with Sanction. (even after getting a consumable sanction item, it still will be very costly to have to constantly replace it.)

Again, there's plenty cost for dieing, people will be much less inclined especially if more gear like Sanction Gear becomes prevalent.

Originally Posted by Neomarl

One of the best features of FFXI is not present right now in FFXIV.
Deleveling was a necessary element as the game doesn't punish you enough for dying in FFXIV.
Oh look, your gear condition has lowered by 10%! And you have to return to a home point. Is this supposed to be scary? NO.
I want to feel terrified of dying. I want to **** my pants every time I enter a dungeon or face a threatening enemy. This game NEEDS the element of constant fear.
Stop cattering to the casual market, and please try to bring back hardcore elements from the old FFXI days.


Please bring back deleveling for 2.0!!!

Gear damage is good enough, as your attributes are lowered drastically from being KOed. The reason I hated FFXI was because of deleveling, along with not being able to find a party all the time and having to solo.