Thread: Bring back deleveling in 2.0

Originally Posted by Giant

No please and big "NO" lol

De-Level prevent people from helping each other

Now without d-lvl, I can go help anyone even it is a very hard fight... even ppl don't know nothing and we're doing garuda, I don't care we keep trying & trying till everyone know what to do

But with d-lvl, ppl will not wait after 1st wipe ;p

That's my personal opinion tho ^-^/

This animated fellow has the right idea

I generally fall in the camp that would be ok with exp loss on death. But then when someone mentioned Garuda, and how people are already put off to waste time it kinda struck a chord with me. People should not be afraid to take on challenging content. The fight is challenging to me personally. And i give my best effort trying in the fight already because i want to win. Adding exp loss could not make me concentrate any harder during the fight. The same concept I imagine goes for those speed running dungeon, or working on hamlet seals.

Originally Posted by Lienn

Yoshida already said xp loss as death penalty isn't an option.

He also said he didn't want death to be a laughable event either. There has to be something that isn't a hillarious dent in your gil or dark matter wallet.

Originally Posted by Yves

Ok, here's a solution: you can only repair your own gear.

That's not what I'd call a great idea especially because it helps alienate crafters even more.

It doesn't have to be tied to exp loss, I suggested it could be tied to a number of things.

Anima loss for one, hell make it something instead of a penalty for death give a reward for living. Give us a signet style buff so we can attain company seals while we gain exp only obtainable in town. It's a permanent buff and doesn't wear off UNLESS you die.

Obviously it's not a crippling effect and wont stop death in instanced content from being a laughable hinderance, perhaps your death could be tied into adding a few minutes to your entrance timer? Maybe if nobody dies during a run they could shave a few minutes off your total run time making speed-runs easier to accomplish (Although not getting killed is kind of part in parcel with speed runs)

There needs to be some way that me or anyone else might want to double check what we are doing before we get ourselves killed. If it's not exp it could be any number of things, just leaving it as a minor hinderance just encourages people to ram through everything without a care in the world.

Originally Posted by Jynx

There needs to be some way that me or anyone else might want to double check what we are doing before we get ourselves killed. If it's not exp it could be any number of things, just leaving it as a minor hinderance just encourages people to ram through everything without a care in the world.

The point of any game is to not get killed. And in addition we already have a penalty regardless if you die or not.

Perhaps they should boost the damage rate on gears.

Originally Posted by Neomarl

One of the best features of FFXI is not present right now in FFXIV.
Deleveling was a necessary element as the game doesn't punish you enough for dying in FFXIV.
Oh look, your gear condition has lowered by 10%! And you have to return to a home point. Is this supposed to be scary? NO.
I want to feel terrified of dying. I want to **** my pants every time I enter a dungeon or face a threatening enemy. This game NEEDS the element of constant fear.
Stop cattering to the casual market, and please try to bring back hardcore elements from the old FFXI days.


Please bring back deleveling for 2.0!!!

You can achieve what you want yourself. You don't need SE to change the game for you. All you have to do is delete your character when you die. There you go, you have your hardcore penalty.

Originally Posted by Neomarl

The only reason I can think you or anyone would hate that is because you/they haven't played FFXI.

It was awesome. Not having it is moving backwards.

I played XI for years. Owned an Aegis too if that speaks to my playtime. Led one of the most successful linkshells on Titan server too. Bad assumption is bad.