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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    Burden is on you to show evidence since you are so insistent on it being different, I'll wait.
    No, actually.

    When you introduce evidence to support your argument, the burden of proof is on you to show that it's true.

    Not only did the Steam numbers NOT drop 70%, not only do the Steam numbers apples-to-apples against this same point in the last expansion NOT show a massive decline, but you've yet to prove to anyone that the Steam numbers ARE applicable to the entire playerbase. The onus/burden is actually upon you, attempting to use that statistic to bolster your argument, to show that the statistic is valid to the argument and case you're presenting. It's not on others.

    This would be like someone saying that aliens exist and pointing to UFO stories as proof of it, then when people suggest the stories may not be accurate, demanding that they debunk every last UFO story ever told. The onus is on you to prove that the UFO stories are true, not on others to prove they are false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    I aint doing that again Renathras. Lol. Nope. I am not wasting my time.
    Translation: I know you're right, Renathras, and I can't prove you wrong, so I'm going to pretend I did and hope no one calls my bluff.

    Doesn't change the fact - YOU have to prove the Steam numbers are valid to your interpretation. If you cannot, then your argument BASED ON THAT is invalid. What is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and you've provided no evidence that the Steam numbers are representative of the playerbase at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    You said you had evidence to prove steam numbers are not indicative of total player numbers. That is a claim you made, not anyone else. You didnt just doubt the validity of the numbers presented, you went and made your own claim on top of it. And let me tell you, if you actually had that evidence it would be the easiest dunk on your haters in the world. You could make them look like absolute fools. Except you cant because you dont have that evidence.
    Yeah, but I don't need to.

    You make an assertion, you have to support it when people point out it may not hold.

    You can't demand THEY prove it when it's your case to make.

    I'll note you have yet to ask someone to prove that they are, so you've defeated your own argument.

    I also didn't say that, btw, but...that's in the details so doesn't matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    You sound like a broken record with your 70% drop. It's easy to find the post from last year where that claim was made. Spoiler, it was found by isolating a few month period after EW launch.
    I sound like a broken record because people keep trying to make this claim even though it's been debunked over and over again.

    Though, I am honestly getting tired of being the one to do it. Might let someone else go after the people being wrong on the internet for a while.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 09-07-2023 at 06:03 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT