Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Theodric]

I think it's often less what you say and how you say it, and this isn't a "FFXIV community" thing, it's a Human thing.

I don't think so. At least not in relation to FFXIV, since very vocal elements of the community are notorious for throwing absolutely anything and everything at someone critical of the game in an effort to intimidate or silence them. Multiple people have brought this up throughout this very thread, revealing that they and/or someone they know have been the target of credible threats of harm. It's alarmingly common.

Even not accounting for the threats, another common tactic is deflection. Post a source? A reason will be conjured up as to why it's 'wrong' even if it's a direct quote from the game itself. Tone and subject policing is very common. Quite a lot of posters - who are known to be exceedingly emotional or aggressive in their own posts - will often attempt to insinuate that there's something wrong with the individual they're engaging with in an effort to pass them off as hysterical or unhinged. We've seen this at play in this very thread, I believe, when a certain poster attempted to police the facial expressions of a content creator.

I've posted around these parts for quite some time. Particularly in recent years - and conveniently aligning with the game's major problems reaching critical mass - the backlash against criticism even when perfectly polite and constructive has become rather intense.

It's also a game that encourages people to self insert so there's a bunch of players who treat liking or disliking the 'wrong' characters as the worst sin known to man.

[ChrysOCE]

It's so great that this is what this conversation has devolved to. Instead of discussing the issues with Endwalker and our concerns that Dawntrail is just going to be more of the same (or even going further in that direction), it's could Zepla have worded her video more kindly, what was her body language, how to word your own posts so noone takes offense or who cares anyway cause Zepla is just some <insert insult>. Jfc.

[Carin-Eri]

got a link to the reddit? and wanted to chime in keep in mind on how the community attacked lazypeon to a point where he took down the video and quin

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/

Although I don't see the thread that was referenced in the post you quoted to be honest.

[Vahlnir]

If you ever want to find bullies and people with questionable attitudes, just say something negative about FF14. As evidenced by the 88 pages in this thread.

Yeah...pretty much. Her point (also a point I've been voicing for a while now myself) about the community and criticism of the game is being proven with each passing page.

Community: "How dare you! We can take criticism! You're just wrong!"

Also the community: *proceeds to trash talk literally everything about her*

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Zepla tried to expand the repertoire of her stream and it failed because her community by in large seemed to just want XIV content. Now she is desperately trying to maintain any relevancy at all by turning on the game that made her. Taking a page straight out of many WoW streamers playbook circa 2019.

[Vahlnir]

Zepla tried to expand the repertoire of her stream and it failed because her community by in large seemed to just want XIV content. Now she is desperately trying to maintain any relevancy at all by turning on the game that made her. Taking a page straight out of many WoW streamers playbook circa 2019.

WoW had been in decline for a while at that point in time, and community frustration had been building up. It was starting to boil over then, but the situation exploded with Shadowlands, which was released in 2020. Sure, some were probably bashing WoW for the clicks, but the general frustration of the player base was all too obvious. There was a basis for it all, and it didn't have much to do with streamers maintaining their relevancy. WoW still hasn't fully recovered from the last few years, either. Many players had finally had enough of Blizzard and left, never to return.

[Blossoming]

I don't think so. At least not in relation to FFXIV, since very vocal elements of the community are notorious for throwing absolutely anything and everything at someone critical of the game in an effort to intimidate or silence them. Multiple people have brought this up throughout this very thread, revealing that they and/or someone they know have been the target of credible threats of harm. It's alarmingly common.

Even not accounting for the threats, another common tactic is deflection. Post a source? A reason will be conjured up as to why it's 'wrong' even if it's a direct quote from the game itself. Tone and subject policing is very common. Quite a lot of posters - who are known to be exceedingly emotional or aggressive in their own posts - will often attempt to insinuate that there's something wrong with the individual they're engaging with in an effort to pass them off as hysterical or unhinged. We've seen this at play in this very thread, I believe, when a certain poster attempted to police the facial expressions of a content creator.

I've posted around these parts for quite some time. Particularly in recent years - and conveniently aligning with the game's major problems reaching critical mass - the backlash against criticism even when perfectly polite and constructive has become rather intense.

It's also a game that encourages people to self insert so there's a bunch of players who treat liking or disliking the 'wrong' characters as the worst sin known to man.

Yes I got called a misandrist for calling them out about those comments. A lot of people end up just devaluing her because "She's just annoying, her face, opinions, etc" When most people forget we have a large community because of people like her.

[LittleImp]

Zepla tried to expand the repertoire of her stream and it failed because her community by in large seemed to just want XIV content. Now she is desperately trying to maintain any relevancy at all by turning on the game that made her. Taking a page straight out of many WoW streamers playbook circa 2019.

Oh is that right? I wonder what happens if you rank the games she plays by average viewership.



Oh....

[Jeeqbit]

Zepla is right, the community cannot take ANY criticism about 14 at all.

I think that isn't really true. There are things that nobody defends, such as:

• The fact the story is massive and only getting bigger, preventing people catching up to a friend who is at max level very easily.
• The UI being annoying, such as managing lots of different inventories.
• Not being able to communicate with people in duties through /tell.
• Lack of variety in Expert roulette.
• Lack of decent item level syncs for old duties such as the first max level trial of each expansion.
• Pre-ordering an expansion not giving you access to the prior expansions until the actual launch day (really bad for sprouts).

If people don't take criticism of the game, then either they simply disagree or the tone and wording is the part they disagree with because perhaps they would make such a criticism without being a negativity nancy about everything else. For example, their outlook is going to be more like "that part is not very good, but all these other things are good!"

On the main subreddit an hour ago I said that 14 was falling behind the other big MMO's like GW2 and WoW and that comment is sitting at -13 votes right now.

What really do you expect? It's like going into a bar and saying alcohol is unhealthy. Sure it is, but it's trolling to go there and say it.

But I think that if you're going to argue that then you should use some statistics otherwise it really is just your opinion. Statistics themselves can be subject to interpretation but at least it is not just throwing something out of nowhere with no evidence.

[ChonkGoblinSuprem]

LoL I scanned back through this thread and I think the metagaming herd decided I was a troll and put me on ignore? Apparently my ideas were so radical and unacceptable that it broke their brains and they had to invent weird conspiracy theories about me…. what the actual f***