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  1. #811
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Maybe a second read through will help considering you seem totally incapable of reading anything remotely resembling context, but if you need a bit of a helpful hint

    “Having new side content not have grindy elements is a net positive” does not mean it is neutral or good, it means that not having it is good
    I feel like I'm going mad lmaoooooo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Maybe a second read through will help considering you seem totally incapable of reading anything remotely resembling context, but if you need a bit of a helpful hint

    “Having new side content not have grindy elements is a net positive” does not mean it is neutral or good, it means that not having it is good
    There really are times I wonder if he's not trolling

    Deep inside I really wish that he's just trolling tbh, because jesus christ xd
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    I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

    I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Maybe a second read through...
    No, Snow. I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore.

    EDIT:

    NOTE, for the record: I CAN offer an argument and explain, but you don't care and won't accept it, and it's just more derailing. If you guys want to derail the thread, YOU get to do it and YOU get the blowback for doing it. I'm tired of being party to that inanity AND getting the blame for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    "I derailed this thread all along, but now that I need to show evidence of my claims, I dont want it to derail it anymore"

    never fail Renathras.
    No, Alexia/Twinpeaks, I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao
    No, Rolder50, I'm not going to help YOU derail this thread anymore, EITHER.

    Seriously, no part of this post of yours was NOT a derail. You didn't address the thread topic, you didn't address a discussion topic, all you did was address me, one of the posters, trying to continue the side-topic/derail about whether or not Snow is incorrectly interpreting things.

    If you guys want to have that conversation - that DERAIL - you'll have to do it yourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    Honestly its pretty hilarious at this point, it's like a whole movie
    NO, Alexia, I WON'T help you continue to derail the thread.

    Protip: When you're having a conversation with yourselves about someone else derailing the thread - YOU ARE DERAILING THE THREAD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

    I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.
    This is correct.

    Zepla even said this in her second video reading the comments. There were lots of comments from new players saying this, and she basically said (paraphrase): That's good and I'm genuinely super happy for you. FFXIV is a great game, I absolutely encourage people to play it. I just wish it had more at the top end.

    I think part of the problem was her naming the video "worst expansion" and her tone in the first video really, unfortunately, muddying the waters from her point. Her second video kind of redeems a lot of it, but people who want everyone to hate on the game kind of missed that.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 09-07-2023 at 02:56 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

  5. #815
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    No, Snow. I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore.

    EDIT:

    NOTE, for the record: I CAN offer an argument and explain, but you don't care and won't accept it, and it's just more derailing. If you guys want to derail the thread, YOU get to do it and YOU get the blowback for doing it. I'm tired of being party to that inanity AND getting the blame for it.
    He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao
    Honestly its pretty hilarious at this point, it's like a whole movie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

    I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.
    Possibly some truth in that. I started playing the game shortly after Endwalker's launch - in fact, I started right before the now (in)famous influx of WoW players occurred and was barely able to play at first as was on Free Trial status which, nine times out of ten, meant that I didn't even get to queue. I didn't manage to subscribe until they reopened the servers to doing so in the early months of the 2022.

    So yeah, whilst I can see the points being made regarding Endwalker here, and think that it was a mixed-blessing myself, I guess I'm not at the 'burn out' point that longer-term players appear to have reached.
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  8. #818
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    Game is still good. They are trying something different this expansion. That doesnt make the game necessarily bad. Just means the things they tried did not stick which in results causing a slight loss in player retention
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    Possibly some truth in that. I started playing the game shortly after Endwalker's launch - in fact, I started right before the now (in)famous influx of WoW players occurred and was barely able to play at first as was on Free Trial status which, nine times out of ten, meant that I didn't even get to queue. I didn't manage to subscribe until they reopened the servers to doing so in the early months of the 2022.

    So yeah, whilst I can see the points being made regarding Endwalker here, and think that it was a mixed-blessing myself, I guess I'm not at the 'burn out' point that longer-term players appear to have reached.
    Yep, while you still have things to catch up on, the game is great. But once you are caught up and waiting for patches, it kinda sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    I think part of the problem was her naming the video "worst expansion" and her tone in the first video really, unfortunately, muddying the waters from her point. Her second video kind of redeems a lot of it, but people who want everyone to hate on the game kind of missed that.
    But the name of her video isn't "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion." It's "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played." Right from the beginning, she's very clear that her video is about her perspective and her opinion. And to my knowledge, the majority of her video is very 'criticism sandwich' where she points out the good and the bad. Using words like "worst expansion" should not muddy the water when its very transparent about being an opinion piece even from the title.
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