Let me explain PvP in a very simple way

[FenyxRising]

By the same token, ignoring the objectives of the arena will also cause a loss. For example, if you let the other team get all the big ice, or don’t guard the tomeliths you take (which add to your score as long as they’re in your team’s possession), etc.

That’s one of the things I actually enjoy about pvp in FFXIV, is that it’s not just mindless pvp. Knockouts and battle high are important yes, but the arena objectives still need to be met. The winning teams are usually doing a good balance of both.

Let me explain very simply for you:

A team full of BH5s might lose some objectives at first. But then once they get their BH5s, they can just attack whoever has the highest score and steamroll you in your base and get kill points. Basically you spent the entire match farming objectives for them.

[FenyxRising]

I thought this too and used to just kill people in Rival Wings, because I like actually fighting the other players. But it became clear to me that what made us win was piloting the mechs and for that fuel was needed, so I started doing that and it was surprisingly easy to turn a match around by doing so.

In frontline you can do either tbh just got to make sure your team gets the most points.

They were never gone.

This is a common misconception really, fuel is important but the most important thing is actually escorting well. If you're a good PvP player you shouldn't be piloting mechs, you should be escorting them. And escorting well means killing enemy CCs and players and chaining LBs by getting as many kills as possible quickly.

[Reap00]

It ain't PvE (player versus environment), it's PvP (player versus player). That means you need to fight other players in PvP.

If you are just attacking the crystals or collecting ceruleum the entire match, you ain't playing PvP, you are playing PvE. That will cause you to lose because BH5 and Soaring 20 are actually important.

Hope this enlightens people.

The new shatter map was an improvement. The overall setup continues to be terrible. I always skip shatter day as I will surely get banned eventually if I participate. I find the map aggravating as all hell. People sit at a target dummy and AVOID pvp. Shatter v3 could be the charm?

[ICountFrom0]

It ain't PvE (player versus environment), it's PvP (player versus player). That means you need to fight other players in PvP.

If you think you can win with nobody on your team ever touching a single objective, be my guest, I'd love to see a video of it.

The good news is, objectives are easy, send the people who arn't good at pvp to go handle them. They'd only be a decoy and a target if they went into the pvp with you.
Do you really want to encourage your teammates to feed and throw by running headlong into combat and dying over and over, while ignoring the objectives?

[Anonemoose]

It ain't PvE (player versus environment), it's PvP (player versus player). That means you need to fight other players in PvP.

If you are just attacking the crystals or collecting ceruleum the entire match, you ain't playing PvP, you are playing PvE. That will cause you to lose because BH5 and Soaring 20 are actually important.

Hope this enlightens people.

This is incredibly ableist. What about people with anxiety? It's really not okay to expect them to get into actual conflict with other players if they're not comfortable doing so. Maybe they have DPS anxiety and if they single target group mob pulls in dungeons it's really unfair to expect them to engage in actual PVP.

[Tahbitha]

Stick them with the pointy end.

/win

[IDontPetLalas]

This is incredibly ableist. What about people with anxiety? It's really not okay to expect them to get into actual conflict with other players if they're not comfortable doing so. Maybe they have DPS anxiety and if they single target group mob pulls in dungeons it's really unfair to expect them to engage in actual PVP.

Fortunately, as PVP is optional no one is expected or mandated to queue for it if they aren't comfortable in engaging with other players instead of NPCs. There are multiple other features in the game.
Once you do queue then (just as in PVE) then you are expected to engage in PVP and try to achieve whatever objectives are required to win.

[LianaThorne]

This is incredibly ableist. What about people with anxiety? It's really not okay to expect them to get into actual conflict with other players if they're not comfortable doing so. Maybe they have DPS anxiety and if they single target group mob pulls in dungeons it's really unfair to expect them to engage in actual PVP.

I feel like this is either bait or an exaggeration, as someone with a social anxiety based disorder.

In the event it's not, then don't play pvp. I was able to get over my initial anxiety with it through practice and realizing that no one actually cares about how anyone is playing unless someone makes a scene in alliance chat. If that's not a possibility then consider another piece of content to play. Duty Support is a thing too for dungeons and then people can single target mobs all they want. *shrug*

Anxiety is something that can be worked through with effort and determination. I don't agree with people who use it as a crutch and expect people to cater to them.

[Boblawblah]

If I'm terrible at PvP (I am), should I just collect fuel until it's over 50 and then follow the big mech bois around and try to protect them?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I mean it's still a hit or miss. If all you do is 100% PvE or PvP but still get a win, it just means one or both of your foes are even more stupid than your alliance.

I do tend to win more when I'm in a more aggressive alliance.