Let me explain PvP in a very simple way

[Boblawblah]

Wait, Rival Wings isn't PvE? -.-*

I'm just there for the tomestomes. That fat cat stuff is calling to me.

[SquishyPlushie]

Wait, Rival Wings isn't PvE? -.-*

I'm just there for the tomestomes. That fat cat stuff is calling to me.

Fellow meow tonberry glam enjoyer spotted.

[Shikiseki]

It ain't PvE (player versus environment), it's PvP (player versus player). That means you need to fight other players in PvP.

If you are just attacking the crystals or collecting ceruleum the entire match, you ain't playing PvP, you are playing PvE. That will cause you to lose because BH5 and Soaring 20 are actually important.

Hope this enlightens people.

Instructions unclear, the enemy team won by guiding the crystal towards the goal :')

[MsQi]

Then maybe they shouldn't have changed the shatter map in a way that emphasizes the crystals?

[Absimiliard]

Ya'll are forgetting the most frequent variant (as pertains to Frontlines specifically):

Team A plays well (or more likely gets lucky) and takes an early lead.
Team B and C then spend the entire rest of the game tunneling Team A, both disregarding the map's objectives and failing to notice at any point both of them have long since overtaken Team A's score.
Team B and C continue doing this until the end of the match, thereby needlessly dragging it out through their own lack of situational awareness.
Team A meanwhile has been locked in a cycle of gaining and losing people since the moment B and C put them on the back foot.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Ya'll are forgetting the most frequent variant (as pertains to Frontlines specifically):

Team A plays well (or more likely gets lucky) and takes an early lead.
Team B and C then spend the entire rest of the game tunneling Team A, both disregarding the map's objectives and failing to notice at any point both of them have long since overtaken Team A's score.
Team B and C continue doing this until the end of the match, thereby needlessly dragging it out through their own lack of situational awareness.
Team A meanwhile has been locked in a cycle of gaining and losing people since the moment B and C put them on the back foot.

Yup pretty much this seems to be most matches for me lol.

[Absurdity]

Ya'll are forgetting the most frequent variant (as pertains to Frontlines specifically):

Team A plays well (or more likely gets lucky) and takes an early lead.
Team B and C then spend the entire rest of the game tunneling Team A, both disregarding the map's objectives and failing to notice at any point both of them have long since overtaken Team A's score.
Team B and C continue doing this until the end of the match, thereby needlessly dragging it out through their own lack of situational awareness.
Team A meanwhile has been locked in a cycle of gaining and losing people since the moment B and C put them on the back foot.

Or Team C notices so while A and B keep duking it out and tunneling hard they silently overtake both.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Ya'll are forgetting the most frequent variant (as pertains to Frontlines specifically):

Team A plays well (or more likely gets lucky) and takes an early lead.
Team B and C then spend the entire rest of the game tunneling Team A, both disregarding the map's objectives and failing to notice at any point both of them have long since overtaken Team A's score.
Team B and C continue doing this until the end of the match, thereby needlessly dragging it out through their own lack of situational awareness.
Team A meanwhile has been locked in a cycle of gaining and losing people since the moment B and C put them on the back foot.

Or sometimes.
Team A gets an early Lead. The team is actually made up of Competent people who are either in a discord, or are just good at communicating in chat and working as a Group
Team B & Team C attempt to Dethrone them, but fail.
Now Team B and Team C shift focus on eachother, giving up all desires to win, and now the focus is to just not be Last.
Instead of fighting together against Team A to knock them out of 1st, now the Battle is for 2nd Place. Team A Wins

Thats been half my Experience at least, especially on Seal Rock.
Otherwise your description is perfect for Shatter

[FenyxRising]

By the same token, ignoring the objectives of the arena will also cause a loss. For example, if you let the other team get all the big ice, or don’t guard the tomeliths you take (which add to your score as long as they’re in your team’s possession), etc.

That’s one of the things I actually enjoy about pvp in FFXIV, is that it’s not just mindless pvp. Knockouts and battle high are important yes, but the arena objectives still need to be met. The winning teams are usually doing a good balance of both.

Let me explain very simply for you:

A team full of BH5s might lose some objectives at first. But then once they get their BH5s, they can just attack whoever has the highest score and steamroll you in your base and get kill points. Basically you spent the entire match farming objectives for them.