People are all so bored of the game and playing BG3

[Supersnow845]

I see what you mean but theres some flaws with your Bozja point. One are the leveling alt classes. This is not a good point since getting to max level is very easy and quickly to do thanks to roulettes and doing your highest level dungeon to grind it out. So the leveling aspect doesnt last for very long. Besides, we now have an alternative for this in EW with Eureka Orthos where players can also level alt classes there.

And as a casual player, most of that journey ended with the quest story in Bozja. You only needed to do CLL and Dalriada once to progress through that campaign. The only reason to grind it out being for extra relics which falls into that arbritrary padded out garbage that I dislike.

At this point in time on my main, Ive pretty much done everything major I wanted to do. Sure theres some extra grinds that I could shoot for if Im that desperate for retention but I dont since I dont want to waste my time for something that Im not that set out to complete.

Its just a reality with veteran players in MMOs that they have to soon face. If the game tries very hard to cater to the veterans and keep them retained then it hurts the game overall because itll fall in that never ending wheel that isnt satisfying or fun. We've seen big examples with this with Blizzard or Smilegate trying to do just that and it just failed with the general audience.

I wish this game added more activities per patch but not just one big activity that needs to be grinded out for like Bozja and Eureka. I dont want having to do homework in this game.

EO is absolutely garbage as a class leveller, but regardless I feel like you are exhibiting a double standard here

“I don’t want to grind but also grinding alt classes is too quick because you can grind them on roulettes”, Bozja was a valid way to grind alt classes and that was a valid way for a casual to interact with it, same as you saying “you only did dal once” but what in EW took the amount of time to complete DAL even if you left and never returned after clearing Dal, there was just so much content even if you only interacted with it on the surface level

WOW’s problem (which was also wildstars problem) is they forced you to interact with long repetitive systems to progress at endgame (torghast for example); what is the harm in making another Bozja that is not required for progression (potentially having a fully optional relic progression through it), for people like you who view it as “homework” you can just ignore it, for people who want midcore grindable endgame content it exists and like eureka they could just tie glams and money to it

There is never a downside to optional grindy content, EW just misses the mark because IS can’t be forced and automates itself and EO offers absolutely nothing over HOH/POTD and the community of DD grinders is vanishingly small compared to any other type of grindable endgame content

Your argument seems to centre on “if the content doesn’t suit my tastes I’d rather there be no content” which at best is misinformed and at worst is selfish

[Reap00]

Reclearing Savage today, all I heard was BG3 BG3 BG3. The few times we actually talked about FF14 it was saying how people wanted to get the reclear over with as fast as possible so they can go back to BG3. The Discord servers I'm in also just talks about BG3 and AC6 now.

Over the years I'm noticing a pattern: people don't actually like doing Savage reclears after week 2 or 3 ? Always it's about getting it over with fast so they can go back to playing other games ?

I usually notice this mostly among raiders... But even the casual players I know in FF14 are all talking about BG3 and are just idle in FF14 while playing BG3 and use FF14 to chat once in a while in say or linkshell.

Really let's be honest do we play FF14 because it's a good game these days ? Or do we just use it as a social platform to hype ourselves up about other games like BG3 and AC6 ?

Normal people play other games or have other hobbies. If you spend all of your time playing an mmo you should probably seek help or go outside.

[PapaIggy]

OMG people are playing a newly released hyped up game right now while they wait for the next update say it isn't so.

[Saraide]

So funny how the complainers have to loop around to pretending BG3 cant stand on its own legs and is only propped up by FF14 being a trash game (which it is). This would make sense if destiny players were pointing at warframe doing well but not with a game that is geniunely fantastic like BG3.

[ChonkGoblinSuprem]

Frontlines and Rival Wings have been popping off all week. Maybe the vast majority of people who play this game just don’t give a crap about engaging with your contrived metagamed-to-hell unfun “gameplay,” and never will.

[Ivtrix]

Please read my post again, the point is that people want to get their FF14 chores over with ASAP to play other games, they want to spend the minimum amount of time possible in FF14 and fulfill their obligations and then they play other games.

if a fight is on farm why are we wasting pointless time

[FenyxRising]

So funny how the complainers have to loop around to pretending BG3 cant stand on its own legs and is only propped up by FF14 being a trash game (which it is). This would make sense if destiny players were pointing at warframe doing well but not with a game that is geniunely fantastic like BG3.

Who said BG3 can't stand on its own legs ? BG3 doesn't need FF14 players at all, it eclipses FF14 in every way except the social aspect, really everyone is only playing FF14 for the social aspect and ERP in 2023. The entire FF14 playerbase can disappear and play Lost Ark and BG3 will still be at the top, that's how good BG3 is.

So you and I agree BG3 is a masterpiece yes ? And FF14 is a chore on the other hand. BG3 is like that nice burger you ate while FF14 is washing the dishes. If FF14 is fun to play by itself then you wouldn't see Savage raiders wanting to get weeklies done ASAP so they can go back to playing BG3 would you ? If people like FF14 as a game they would happily play Savage and wouldn't complain about needing to get weeklies done ASAP. By the way this was actually the case in Heavensward and Stormblood when people enjoyed the game for how it is, there were always people who treat it as a chore even back then, but it was like 10% back then and now it's like 90%.

are you gatekeeping how people choose to play the game?

I don't think if you only stay in a game to do chores and ERP it's actually a game anymore but thank you very much for putting words in my mouth.

Normal people play other games or have other hobbies. If you spend all of your time playing an mmo you should probably seek help or go outside.

Don't think anyone is playing FF14 every hour ? Hmmm ? Did anyone say that ?

Actually the opposite is true, we only play FF14 for two or three hours a week and in those two hours it's like washing dishes, an absolute chore. Don't you worry, most of us actually are playing other games.

[Ivtrix]

Who said BG3 can't stand on its own legs ? BG3 doesn't need FF14 players at all, it eclipses FF14 in every way except the social aspect, really everyone is only playing FF14 for the social aspect and ERP in 2023.

are you gatekeeping how people choose to play the game?

[Darkobra]

Social aspect is better in BG3 too. At least their characters only have the one personality.

[Ivtrix]

I don't think if you only stay in a game to do chores and ERP it's actually a game anymore but thank you very much for putting words in my mouth.

Im interested in what content you think people should be doing. Its late expansion, most people are done with savage, done with relics until the next content update, etc. What is there to do other than log in and socialize?