People are all so bored of the game and playing BG3

[Carin-Eri]

i didn't read every post but the summary arguement against this is, people have hated the weekly chore of tome grinding and weekly raids since twintania so its this type of get off and do something else quickly has always been a thing.

once people feel the only reason to hop on is to do their daily/weekly chores for this game or even any other they will start to resent having to do it.

Agreed. To be honest, whilst I can somewhat tolerate it here, the game I played prior to this one was very strongly committed to this business model - arguably worse in that game's case as the reward was a limited-time 'event only' item, thus prompting more of a FOMO mindset in players who couldn't tolerate the idea of never being able to obtain said reward.
It can at least be said that the 'grind rewards' here don't seem to actually disappear after a relatively short set period of time.

Eitherway, I'm not really a fan of 'circular feedback loops' - as they (in a sense) coerce players into a specific activity that they don't necessarily enjoy, but feel like they have to tolerate, in order to obtain a reward. Which, in turn, lets the gaming company point at the predictably-high engagement numbers/metrics as "proof" that players like that activity.

[OgruMogru]

I think an issue is the attitude of the game saying it's ok just just dip in and out when you feel like it is counter to the way a lot of the content in the game works. Ultimates require a commitment, savage requires a commitment, Criterion requires commitment. All of which is made worse with an inflexible and dogmatic 2 minute meta. It's burning high end raiders out so they're not sticking around. The lack of casual relic grind and exploratory zone this time has made the issue worse because historically that is the kind of content that can be dipped in and out of. It's nice on an individual level to not feel pressured to repeatedly sign into the game but this patch cycle in particular has not provided content that gels with that sentiment.

[Mcg55ss]

WoW is also almost on a new patch, very shortly actually, and population didnt change, still as many people online in my guild, and they still do weekly HC raids and mythic raids for the raid team, what gives FFXIV is different ?

WoW raid -9+bosses ...FFXIV raid - 4 bosses...
WoW raid - RNG mechanics that at points require add-ons
FFXIV - telegraph mechanics that you can learn without addons but the community uses them as a crunch
WoW difficulties -Normal, Heroic, Mythic
FFXIV - normal, savage.
WoW - flex 10-30 cept mythic 20
FFXIV - 8

Just looking at these few notes even the team are similar skill level (non RWF raiders) going on both of them it should take WoW longer to complete just because bigger size and more people. Also people compare raids mythic on the ultimate level at least later on fights and final fantasy release theirs January vs WoW mythic opening I believe in early May and final fantasy raid releasing late the same month. So wow released a raid double the size, with time wasting trash mobs between each boss and the content that's equal to something that was released 4 months prior with mythic being ultimate levels and you're saying people are still raiding in WoW.....hmmm big shock

[Leifei]

Depends on your social circle within the game. I haven't heard a thing about BG3 while playing FFXIV. That said, I only login on the weekends mostly and raid for a few hours. I am now interested in BG3 though because I keep hearing about it. Time to look into it.

[Connor]

Imagine if this thread was actually created by a Larian employee who just really wants BG3 to do well, so they’re namedropping it in a bunch of video game forums to drum up interest. How many people will look into what BG3 is after reading this thread lol.

I know your secret now!

[Mcg55ss]

Reclearing Savage today, all I heard was BG3 BG3 BG3. The few times we actually talked about FF14 it was saying how people wanted to get the reclear over with as fast as possible so they can go back to BG3. The Discord servers I'm in also just talks about BG3 and AC6 now.

Over the years I'm noticing a pattern: people don't actually like doing Savage reclears after week 2 or 3 ? Always it's about getting it over with fast so they can go back to playing other games ?

I usually notice this mostly among raiders... But even the casual players I know in FF14 are all talking about BG3 and are just idle in FF14 while playing BG3 and use FF14 to chat once in a while in say or linkshell.

Really let's be honest do we play FF14 because it's a good game these days ? Or do we just use it as a social platform to hype ourselves up about other games like BG3 and AC6 ?

Okay to this post, everything is losing players to BG3, every game has some part of the community is playing. This is probably going to be one of those generational games that define a genre for years and everything in this genre will be compared to it for the next probably decade, it literally is a scale of final fantasy 7 Western release or Halo. It's even getting an uptick in tabletop games like DND and Pathfinder because of it's successful nature, but is it a threat to any MMO no. We're talking about a game that had to have his development time increased by 3 years, a game that as of August 7th has no DLC content at all in the works, they don't even have the concept on where to go with DLC so it would be if they released it years away. So of course it's going to get a big draw at the moment it's very rare to come across a game like this they could be this defining, the thing is once it's done there's nothing to draw back into it, once they've completed whatever their goals are with their game the game becomes a dust collector meanwhile 14 will still be going and they can come right back to it and continue and progress like nothing happened. So let people enjoy something that is a rare thing especially in today's game market. Stop being a doomsayer because you're going to probably say the same thing when starfield comes out will it be as successful who knows but it will be a success initially it has enough hype (though not from me I won't touch it till modders gets a multiplayer aspect to it just cuz I don't think exploring all that and everything alone is enjoyable to me.) Just calm down either enjoy this game or go enjoy that one or another one this game will still continue and that's what some people like about it they can feel completed in this game go enjoy another game and then come back to this one without feel like they've missed much.

[ChonkGoblinSuprem]

I think an issue is the attitude of the game saying it's ok just just dip in and out when you feel like it is counter to the way a lot of the content in the game works. Ultimates require a commitment, savage requires a commitment, Criterion requires commitment. All of which is made worse with an inflexible and dogmatic 2 minute meta. It's burning high end raiders out so they're not sticking around. The lack of casual relic grind and exploratory zone this time has made the issue worse because historically that is the kind of content that can be dipped in and out of. It's nice on an individual level to not feel pressured to repeatedly sign into the game but this patch cycle in particular has not provided content that gels with that sentiment.

Ultimates, Savage, and Criterion are not “a lot of the content.” hth

[OgruMogru]

Ultimates, Savage, and Criterion are not “a lot of the content.” hth

they kind of are though when, like I said, the other main draws of a patch cycle such as exploration zones and relic grinds are absent. I'm not talking about the backlog of old content that will always be in the game, I'm talking about the patch cycle and the "menu" of content that goes along with it that's supposed to be the main draw of coming back to the game. Whether that is new stuff or incentive to go back over older content. We have the moogle tome event that means we might get a chance at seeing another 24 man other than CT in roulettes and that's about it.

[Aldath]

I mean, I like this game enough to play it daily, but there's AC6, BG3, I haven't finished TotK nor Pikmin 4. I'm also enjoying Lakeview Cabin, Voidigo and Blasphemous 2. There's a new Yakuza game coming in November as well. I know this thread is probably, most likely trolling, but gaming is like picking which candy you want for the day...

[Mcg55ss]

I mean, I like this game enough to play it daily, but there's AC6, BG3, I haven't finished TotK nor Pikmin 4. I'm also enjoying Lakeview Cabin, Voidigo and Blasphemous 2. There's a new Yakuza game coming in November as well. I know this thread is probably, most likely trolling, but gaming is like picking which candy you want for the day...

Don't forget payday3 and next year human fall flat 2