I know y'all don't wanna hear this...

[Omedon]

... But the combination of "by default, tanks should pull wall to wall" and "by default, healers should spend as much time DPSing as possible" is an absolutely toxic cocktail of unapproachability and is the reason you rarely see DPS as adventurer in need for 4-person roulettes. As long as you ask these two counterintuitive things, tanks will die, healers will feel put on the spot, and both will queue less and err on the side of DPSing, trading peace and absence of higher responsibility for a longer queue.

I know you're gonna get mad, but it's true.

Healing isn't hard. Tanking isn't hard. The way people expect these jobs to be played is counterintuitive and puts "respect for everyone's time" over approachable gameplay. There's no safe way to discuss in a tank's greeting macro that "I will pull fast until I die or have to use holmgang on trash" that doesn't put the healer on the spot, and honestly, the healer shouldn't have to tolerate "everyone's wall to wall until you say you're new or someone dies." And that doesn't even work because "this is a level 80+ dungeon, how are you new, you should know by now" still happens in a world where one can use duty support from the beginning to end of the game!

Look, just be kind, ok? And don't crack the whip or pull for the tank when he's trying to take it easy on a healer who clearly needs it, yet has to say "you can pull big" to cover their ass.

Overly DPSing healers are a bonus.

Wall to wall pulling is a bonus.

They're perks, not entitlements.

Just be kind. You're all so good at that when people conform to your expectations, maybe alter those just a bit to err on the side of kindness.

Thank you.

[TheMightyMollusk]

The real problem is that, in the majority of dungeons, trash mobs are so weak that wall pulls are easily doable. Why pull slower when there's no reason not to just get it all over with?

[pyxls]

The real problem is that, in the majority of dungeons, trash mobs are so weak that wall pulls are easily doable. Why pull slower when there's no reason not to just get it all over with?

There are some higher lv dungeons that are not w2w friendly, unless tank/heal are both competent... which is not always the case.

[NekoMataMata]

There are some higher lv dungeons that are not w2w friendly, unless tank/heal are both competent... which is not always the case.

The only dungeons I can think of are the ones with the massive w2w pulls like Mt Gulg, and usually people are aware of it. I personally enjoy the massive w2w pulls, but it's not uncommon to see healers/tanks decide between themselves that they don't want to.

That's more of the exception and not the rule in 50+ content.

Besides that, if I'm tanking in any content that's not msq roulette, then I'm probably playing WAR. Usually get jinxed with a healer that overheals and don't DPS but sometimes I do get very special healers and it's good to be able to do things on my own with ease, especially when dps is so awful that I'm pressing BW 3 times a pack.

[Moogly]

Why pull slower when there's no reason not to just get it all over with?

That's the real problem, and the reason why those sort of threads are created.
People don't pay attention to who they are playing with, like in any other online game, nothing new.

When running roulette dungeons it is usual to run into people geared enough or largely overgeared making tanking wall to wall and aggressive healer dps easy.
Then for many that habit becomes the norm - things go wrong when you meet a less seasonned/prepared player.
This is especially true for later leveling dungeons - it can become pretty hard to heal or tank the lvl 79/89 dungeons when they still only wear the 400/530 tomestone gear set.
Even pulling wall to wall an expert roulette dungeon could prove challenging for a new tank/healer pair that just met the required min ilvl.

I don't often meet those new players though, so when I do I usually just take a breath and slow down...

[Zakuyia]

The real problem is that, in the majority of dungeons, trash mobs are so weak that wall pulls are easily doable. Why pull slower when there's no reason not to just get it all over with?

Eh this person speaking THE TRUTH.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Eh this person speaking THE TRUTH.

Because you should always prepare for and expect the worst and take anything else as a happy accident. Honestly applies to RL and not just games.

[Vahlnir]

Because you should always prepare for and expect the worst and take anything else as a happy accident. Honestly applies to RL and not just games.

This is the truth right here. No better way to approach the Duty Finder. Or Party Finder for that matter.

[Omedon]

Because you should always prepare for and expect the worst and take anything else as a happy accident. Honestly applies to RL and not just games.

Basically yeah, and also be kind. That's the gist of what I'm getting at here!

[Vahlnir]

I will never complain about optimal play, but I also never expect everyone to perform optimally, especially in random groups. It's more of a nice surprise when it happens. That said, I'm always going wall to wall unless the healer simply can't keep up, and that is rare.