Are you here because you hate WoW or love FF14

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[Renathras]

damn this is getting bookmarked

For being a deflection and ad hominem? I guess you do you...

I mean, literally what just happened is a person made a claim, was asked to support it, refused to provide any evidence to support it while attacking the person that asked for the evidence, and then you supported their refusing to support the claim, a claim you have a mutual interested in people believing is true but likely cannot actually support because it likely isn't true. If it's not true, then a lot of the bad behavior here loses its fig leaf defense and the people doing it would be exposed as just behaving badly with no excuse.

Even the excuse is a thin one, but shorn of it, there'd be no defense at all.

Renathras?

"People are snowflakes" is a nice way of deflecting the fact that the person got the banhammer for their behaviour, and nothing else. If they got reported, and that persons behaviour made disciplinary action necessary, then if ANYONE is responsible for getting banned..the blame lies solely AND ONLY with the person whose conduct was deemed unacceptable.

In short?

Actions have consequences.

I mean, fair. But the point is, I'm not connected to it in any way, as I neither made any such reports nor was I even conversing with/the target of the person's conversation.

[Teraq]

Neither, honestly. Ever since I started playing FFXIV during the Tanaan Jungle patch, I've been switching back and forth between the two depending on friends playing and the current patch/expac.

The two games do different things well. As someone who pretty much only plays casual open world and queued content, WoW's open world blows FFXIV's out the water for multiple reasons IMO (including the fact that it is, in fact open), but FFXIV has daily queued content that's a lot more varied. I can't deny FFXIV's endgame gearing system caters to me, in that it's basically MoP's Valor and Justice but better because I can eventually catch up to a raider's item level by the end of a tier. Dragonflight's latest gear upgrade system is … okay, but it wouldn't be WoW without the massive item level gap between the people running organised group content and my second class citizen self.

On the other hand, I've never cared for housing too much, but I love collecting things, and BOY does WoW have plenty of things to collect. Better yet, most of the things I collect I can use on all my characters! And that, too: I like having several characters with different styles and personalities, and WoW made it extremely easy and comfortable to level alts. It's also cool that talent trees allow me to have a couple of characters of the same class play differently, even within the same spec for some particularly well-made talent trees. Sure, maybe that one talent template doesn't follow Icy Veins to a T, but thankfully I am unable to care that Alt Character #23 might not be performing optimally in the serious content I never do.

I am, uh, not going to speak of the story here. Let's just say that WoW's, while perfectly mid at the best of times, has never actually offended me (admittedly I've never played the BfA pre-patch in particular) (RIP I want that cool masked bat mount still).

[VelKallor]

I mean, fair. But the point is, I'm not connected to it in any way, as I neither made any such reports nor was I even conversing with/the target of the person's conversation.

Agreed. i was making a more general point. My bad.

[Hurlstone]

It's really sad because the entire MMO genre is beaten by BG3 alone. That's how much of a joke MMOs are in 2023, but really everyone playing an MMO is on copium when we're all just here for the social aspects, not really the game.

I dunno, I like speaking to my FC/people sure, but I think a forgoten part of MMOs are people who enjoy a growing world, one which has new things added over time with lore and story which evolves over time. A game you cannot 100% complete if you will. For a long time MMOs where one of the few ways you could do that. Of course now live service games have kinda taken over that department. FFXIV will be one of the last MMOs with the 'classic' sub system I feel. Going forward any game which has an evolving world will no doubt instead be ‘F2P/B2P’ but full of micro-transactions that end up being far more greedy, with less return for value, because we live in a capitalist hellscape where creativity will be sucked dry for the made up system we call currency, until studios become intertwined and disregarded just because someone in a suit who knows nothing of the craft only made 5% more from the launch then they did the year before.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm here because I love FFXIV and enjoy playing it. I played WoW up to MoP then came here and hubby soon followed. Hubby and I poked our heads back in to WoW for Legion and I think one or two other times but I'm happy here and he's happy when he joins me since he plays a lot less.

[FenyxRising]

I dunno, I like speaking to my FC/people sure, but I think a forgoten part of MMOs are people who enjoy a growing world, one which has new things added over time with lore and story which evolves over time. A game you cannot 100% complete if you will. For a long time MMOs where one of the few ways you could do that. Of course now live service games have kinda taken over that department. FFXIV will be one of the last MMOs with the 'classic' sub system I feel. Going forward any game which has an evolving world will no doubt instead be ‘F2P/B2P’ but full of micro-transactions that end up being far more greedy, with less return for value, because we live in a capitalist hellscape where creativity will be sucked dry for the made up system we call currency, until studios become intertwined and disregarded just because someone in a suit who knows nothing of the craft only made 5% more from the launch then they did the year before.

FF14 is sub-based but also full of micro-transactions that became more and more greedy. Your point ?

[NiceNox]

Idk, I am here to play FFXIV.