The Novice Network

[SannaR]

I have never interacted with the Novice Network, but I am bewildered at why it was ever deemed necessary in the first place and I've heard mostly bad things about it. Newbies can just ask for advice in map chat, or google it, or ask on the subreddit. Giving a power structure to random players who can control a chat channel and kick whomever they like doesn't seem like a good idea.

This seems like the kind of naivety that originally brought us "no Vote to Kick function in dungeons" and "skippable cutscenes in MSQ roulette." They seem to just assume people will be polite, civil, and nice.

Every time I see a Burger King crown in a roulette raid/dungeon, I just wonder what the heck they are even doing here. They aren't "mentoring" anyone. They aren't helping or explaining things to any newbies. They're just doing the same thing as anybody else. How are they mentors?

Was there someone asking for help or an explanation? Did you offer help or an explanation in those runs? If no then why should they speak up? And if you didn't then you're just the same. It doesn't take the crown to give suggestions or an explanation. Yet most runs no one talks outside at the start or the end. A lot of mentors don't show or have the crown turned on due to the stigma it has. A mentor screws up? Free game to mock em. A mentor gives advice in a nice way or an explanation for something? Either is greeted with silence with hints that what they said was ignored or missed or you get the memed "you don't pay my sub" at minimum or the equivalent of a 12yr old playing CoD. Then there are the occasions where a mentor does either of those things only to have a fellow "mentor" troll the one trying to help out. Or the other mentor tells the helpful one to stfu.

The novice network is supposed to be a spot in game where you can get quick, helpful answers to questions or help for a quick que in game. Hopefully without any harassment, power trips, spoilers galore, or vulgar language being used. I'm not meaning swears when I say vulgar language. As I said earlier in this thread some are actually nice and helpful. Others are a dumpster fire floating down a flooded street.

[Toutatis]

Every time I see a Burger King crown in a roulette raid/dungeon, I just wonder what the heck they are even doing here. They aren't "mentoring" anyone. They aren't helping or explaining things to any newbies. They're just doing the same thing as anybody else. How are they mentors?

The mentor roulette is primarily a filling roulette, only occasionally you get an extreme trial or duty where people may require an explanation or a sprout who doesn’t know what a stack marker is. You don’t get to chose where you might end up: it can be any dungeon, guildhest, trial (extreme or regular), normal raid or AR. Just one single roulette for all that.

You get sent whereever someone abandoned a duty (if in progress is checked) or where someone has been waiting to fill a group and you just happen to be the next person who queued. It doesn’t check whether the initial person who queued for a duty is a sprout or if it’s a first time duty, maybe you’ll even end up with other mentors.

Yesterday I queued twice as dps and got thrown in the middle of an already ongoing uneventful regular Barbariccia trial (maybe someone left and they decided to start the fight with 7) and into the very first lvl 10 guildhest. Before yesterday it made me tank lvl 15 Sastasha…what am I suppose to say beside o/ in that? “Follow me and stick them with the pointy end”?

You cannot hide your crown when using mentor roulette.

[tsuchii]

The mentor roulette is primarily a filling roulette, only occasionally you get an extreme trial or duty where people may require an explanation or a sprout who doesn’t know what a stack marker is. You don’t get to chose where you might end up: it can be any dungeon, guildhest, trial (extreme or regular), normal raid or AR. Just one single roulette for all that.

You get sent whereever someone abandoned a duty (if in progress is checked) or where someone has been waiting to fill a group and you just happen to be the next person who queued. It doesn’t check whether the initial person who queued for a duty is a sprout or if it’s a first time duty, maybe you’ll even end up with other mentors.

Yesterday I queued twice as dps and got thrown in the middle of an already ongoing uneventful regular Barbariccia trial (maybe someone left and they decided to start the fight with 7) and into the very first lvl 10 guildhest. Before yesterday it made me tank lvl 15 Sastasha…what am I suppose to say beside o/ in that? “Follow me and stick them with the pointy end”?

You cannot hide your crown when using mentor roulette.

XD

This reminds me when I had an eager sprout asking for Innocence normal mechanics and I just said whack it til it's dead. LOL
There's really no gimmick mechanics, just avoid AOEs on that trial. LOL

[Amenara]

Eh, maybe it's just Gilga's NN but it really isn't too bad most of the time. If someone asks a question, usually you have a few people answering it. If someone asks for help doing something we usually have no problem filling a group to help or a couple people hopping in to help them out. Sure it is a server wide general chat most of the time, but usually it's pretty accessible for sprouts and returners to get what they want and need out of it.

Obviously it's not always that way as anytime you get hundreds of people in a glorified chatroom stuff will happen, but most of the time it fizzles out pretty quickly or if it devolves into fighting then people will be kicked to keep it out of NN.

I do wish we had a global chat channel in game, though, if nothing else do it like wow where the cities have access to a shared global chat with the ability to easily leave the chat if you don't want to see it.

[hynaku]

I haven't seen any problems with it on my server. I hardly ever see anyone being kicked out unless they're a bot or player is not stop spamming same thing over and over. Seems for the most part all the ones I see on it are pretty nice and helpful.

[Zeastria]

This game need a global chat(s).. NN is a prof of that-
Global chat will have max 500 players in each
and you have like GC1,GC2..ect - so that all can join..

[Remolia]

This game need a global chat(s).. NN is a prof of that-
Global chat will have max 500 players in each
and you have like GC1,GC2..ect - so that all can join..

This.
Players need simple global channels, like WoW or EvE got, not some over complicated Link-Shell garbage.

[SylvAlternate]

Literally all you would need to do to fix NN is add a rule in the TOS to not kick people from it without proper reason

[Shinkuno]

Literally all you would need to do to fix NN is add a rule in the TOS to not kick people from it without proper reason

And whos gonna check for that? The GMs that already ignore 95% of reports? People openly cheat, mod, harass and stalk others without anything being done. You think they care about NN kicks when people can simply be reinvited?