The Coil's Situation

[TheMightyMollusk]

Bringing Coils in line with the rest of the normal raids would be halfway to making new raids entirely. It'd be nice if there were a way to experience it at level without just getting carried through unsynced, considering it's fairly important to the story (not only wrapping up some lingering threads from Legacy, but also being basically the only time Alisae does anything before the post-Heavensward patches, thus giving some reason why we should know who she is), but that also means more development resources getting diverted back into old content. And considering how much people just love to harp on about that....

[TaleraRistain]

I agree with the sentiment that this is important story content. But Coils as it is isn't in a state to go into a normal raid roulette. The thought of T5 or T9 coming up is just terrifying since it would either be a wipefest and abandon or tons of people would just bail right away so you'd have to wait for it to fill again to become a wipefest and abandon.

I think a better option is going back and maybe making a story version that could then go into the normal raid roulette. It would mean development resources would need to be given for it, but it's important enough story to warrant it.

[JiraTyanu]

I agree with the sentiment that this is important story content. But Coils as it is isn't in a state to go into a normal raid roulette. The thought of T5 or T9 coming up is just terrifying since it would either be a wipefest and abandon or tons of people would just bail right away so you'd have to wait for it to fill again to become a wipefest and abandon.

I think a better option is going back and maybe making a story version that could then go into the normal raid roulette. It would mean development resources would need to be given for it, but it's important enough story to warrant it.

Actually y'know this could be pretty cool. Damn good idea!

[kaynide]

I agree with the sentiment that this is important story content. But Coils as it is isn't in a state to go into a normal raid roulette. The thought of T5 or T9 coming up is just terrifying since it would either be a wipefest and abandon or tons of people would just bail right away so you'd have to wait for it to fill again to become a wipefest and abandon.

I think a better option is going back and maybe making a story version that could then go into the normal raid roulette. It would mean development resources would need to be given for it, but it's important enough story to warrant it.

+1, this is a good idea. Even if it's an NPC-able thing, this warrants a rework for the story significance.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Just label the existing Coils as Extreme (since Second Coil already has Savage).

[Renalt]

I know a lot of people say that the content would destroy random groups...and they are right. However they are right because it's optional content and people haven't been doing it at all.

If part of a roulette...people would eventually learn how to do them. Learning is good. It should be done as often as possible.

[LilimoLimomo]

I like what normal raids have become; Alexander has enjoyable raid content, and what came after it has followed suit. That's the kind of content I want to experience when I queue for a raid.

But far too many of the Coils are tedious or boring. Imagine queuing for a normal raid and ending up in Coil 3. Maybe that's someone's idea of fun, but certainly not mine.

[Vahlnir]

I like what normal raids have become; Alexander has enjoyable raid content, and what came after it has followed suit. That's the kind of content I want to experience when I queue for a raid.

But far too many of the Coils are tedious or boring. Imagine queuing for a normal raid and ending up in Coil 3. Maybe that's someone's idea of fun, but certainly not mine.

With enough tweaks and adjustments, they could indeed get Coils to function as normal raids. But they'd honestly have to rebuild them from the ground up, kinda like they've done with old MSQ stuff as of late.

[VerdeLuck]

With enough tweaks and adjustments, they could indeed get Coils to function as normal raids. But they'd honestly have to rebuild them from the ground up, kinda like they've done with old MSQ stuff as of late.

There's plenty of resources that have freed up now that they reorked the MSQ to have duty support, so they could pretty easily go over to doing that.
Similar to the Praetorium, it's something that doesn't fit with the current game design, it's dead unless there is an explicit reward given, and a lot of story is built on it, so there's value in bringing it up to modern standard.

I wouldn't say this is a 7.0 thing or even 7.1 but as an extra for 7.2-7.3 I could easily see coils rework as something that we get.

[vetch]

I like what normal raids have become; Alexander has enjoyable raid content, and what came after it has followed suit. That's the kind of content I want to experience when I queue for a raid.

But far too many of the Coils are tedious or boring. Imagine queuing for a normal raid and ending up in Coil 3. Maybe that's someone's idea of fun, but certainly not mine.

Speaking of tedious or boring, imagine queueing for a raid and ending up in A2N, and one or, if you have awful luck, two of your four DPS sit in the gobwalkers for the whole fight doing 0 damage because they don't understand that the bombs hit for less than 2k in normal. Maybe that's someone's idea of fun, bu-