will midcore encounter design get any better in 7.0?

**grinkdaboy** · 08-30-2023 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by FenyxRising

excuse me the last thing ultimates need is having ginormous hitboxes so you never lose uptime, it's already boring enough

how about we don't have ginormous hitboxes anywhere in the game ?

you're excused, i was more referring to pass-fail mechanics being used more in ultimates and not savage/extreme where they are now more frequent

**CidHeiral** · 08-30-2023 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

b) have a ginormous hitbox so you almost never lose uptime (except in rare fringe cases like in p8 with dog1->snake1->dog2->snake2) and will typically go untargetable during high movement mechanics (dog1,

As a primarily melee player I really dislike the giant hitboxes. Figuring out how to squeeze in as much uptime as possible for each fight was fun.

Originally Posted by Oizen

To me its more like the game came out and people quickly just stopped talking about it.

It's a single player game. It came out, they played it, they beat it. Not much else to talk about.

**Oizen** · 08-30-2023 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by CidHeiral

It's a single player game. It came out, they played it, they beat it. Not much else to talk about.

People talked about Tears of the Kingdom for like a month.

People talked about FFXVI for 11 minutes.

**CidHeiral** · 08-30-2023 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Oizen

People talked about Tears of the Kingdom for like a month.

People talked about FFXVI for 11 minutes.

I see, the hundreds of replies in the FFXVI related threads on reddit right now must all be talking about their lunch.

**DiaDeem** · 08-30-2023 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

savage

Savage is not Midcore.

**Fourbestintoner** · 08-30-2023 08:35 AM

Savage has been midcore since creator.

**SieyaM** · 08-30-2023 08:48 AM

I feel like they tried midcore with Orbonne and then saw both casual and hardcore players avoid it at all costs and said forget it no one actually wants this they just want to talk about it.

**DiaDeem** · 08-30-2023 08:54 AM

CLL/DR/Dal is what I'd call midcore.

**FenyxRising** · 08-30-2023 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by SieyaM

I feel like they tried midcore with Orbonne and then saw both casual and hardcore players avoid it at all costs and said forget it no one actually wants this they just want to talk about it.

People also avoid Crystal Tower ?

I see more people dropping the party when we load into LotA, more than people who drop Orbonne.

**Avoidy** · 08-30-2023 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by FenyxRising

The wrong picture ?

Heavensward and Stormblood grew just fine. Shadowbringers grew as much as HW and SB percentage-wise. EW didn't grow at all outside of the WoW influx which all left already. Did this new direction actually do anything ? If the game keeps growing 30-50% in population whether you have hard or easy jobs, that doesn't sound like it has anything to do with whether the jobs are hard or easy does it ?

This discussion's difficult because we don't have the exact numbers for player growth and it's hard to define "this is where they made the jobs easy," but from my perspective Shadowbringers was where the game REALLY took off hard in terms of player-count and new player recruitment and that was also the expansion where we saw a lot of job design philosophy shift into the "just simplify it" route. For example, I remember a lot of ASTs complaining about their card mechanic going away around this time, and most of the brd/mch mains I knew were kind of upset around that era as well because their jobs had changed a lot in a way they felt was "dumbing down." Meanwhile, everyone I knew who played in Heavensward talks about its postgame period as one of the deadest times in the game's history; like whenever I complain about post-EW there's always some HW player pulling up to be like "this is nothing compared to how bad it was back in my day" so to say the game grew just fine during that period might not even be accurate from SE's perspective. It's just hard to say. To be sure, I'm not out here trying to justify dumbing things down for mass appeal; I hate it. But I can see why a dev at square might see the timeline and the amount of complaints over anything difficult and think that most people just want things to be easier.

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