Thread: will midcore encounter design get any better in 7.0?

Honestly, I'm more annoyed Extremes have become Savages with body-checks galore and first boss Savage level mechanics. Traditionally, Extremes were a step down in difficulty, but now they're more or less at the same place. So the middle has been hollowed out.

Extremes used to be traditionally be between the second and third floor.

Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Extremes used to be traditionally be between the second and third floor.

Hm...sure about that?

Never tried Savage before EW but been doing Extremes since HW. You telling me I could have been clearing 2 fights of Savages for all these expansions? Extremes used not to have a lot of the things they have now. I'm not sure when they decided body checks were a good idea (Emerald Weapon, maybe?), but they used not to be as much of a focus as they are now. The used to feel a lot more approachable and allowed a lot more room for errors.

Yoshi P said Ex5 was more the traditional design, and it felt COMPLETELY different than the others in EW. (My bigger issue there is long periods of no damage and then a big spike of like 5 mechs at once towards the end then another 3-4 at once right after that). The only ones this expansion that have felt kinda like old expansion Extremes to me were ZodEx and RubiEx. ZodEx and HydEx are the only ones that I don't think had body checks (though Hyd is iffy with the LP stack late in the fight). ZodEx has a semi-soft enrage before the enrage at the end as well. ZodEx is also the only one that really felt like it was between Savage and normal/MSQ content difficulty. And even it had the snakes that were hard for a lot of people to wrap their heads around.

Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Extremes used to be traditionally be between the second and third floor.

Not all extremes are the same. They don’t have a fixed difficulty. Some are easier than Savage, others are as hard as the 3rd floor of Savage.

Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

back in sb and shb savage and extreme content was good midcore content that was fun to prog. you had to learn how to optimize, how to avoid downtime, memorize how a boss would move so you wouldn't lose any gcds. wall bosses were mostly one per floor, and boss hitboxes weren't the size of a house.

nowadays in endwalker (at least in abyssos, anabaseios, golbez ex, and likely zeromus ex) the boss will either:

a) be wall
b) have a ginormous hitbox so you almost never lose uptime (except in rare fringe cases like in p8 with dog1->snake1->dog2->snake2) and will typically go untargetable during high movement mechanics (dog1,

this has removed almost all nuance in encounter design. mechanics have been reduced to where it's either pass or fail. you are only as consistent as your least consistent player. you are punished with a wipe even if you do nothing wrong. it's not fun, and i don't think this kind of design philosophy has a place in midcore content. keep it in ultimates

I won't actually read this post as there is no point. Nothing will change. This is the game. Play and enjoy or play something else. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Yes. If you can clear Extreme, you can probably clear the first 2 fights of each savage tier.

Wrong

/10char

Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Wrong

/10char

Actually that's true at least in regards to current extremes. Savages are just extremes with a few extra steps... that's really it.

honestly some EXs could be classed as Hard modes like lackshimi