Frontlines are unplayable.

[NekoMataMata]

I'm gonna sound like an elitist but frankly, people whining about getting shrekted by DRK/DRGs combos, and especially the ones scapegoating premades, are not exactly what I think about when you mention player vs player interactions. That's really a skill issue problem, that's what it is. I have yet to constantly get deleted by such a combo or premades, I play solo all the time, and I get BH5 almost all the time without breaking too much sweat.

Now then, besides people not knowing how to respond to the obvious culprit combos or BH5 premades (just stun them and yoink them to your team, they're as good as dead, it's so easy with some jobs it's almost pathetic), the real problem behind that skill issue, is positioning, and positioning is one of the hardest things to learn in pvp there. It takes time and dedication, but I can totally see why that's not the kind of skill a lot of people would want to learn out of pvp. Perhaps that's the true crux of the matter.

Elitists tend to actually be good at whatever they're lecturing people about. But let's not pretend this isn't a bad faith answer considering you intentionally misunderstood everything I posted about.

You discuss positioning when there is no proper way to position in a lot of instances in FLs. For example you're in the middle of Onsal, and it's so easy for anything with massive aoes to put in work. I've pointed it out before, but DRK/DRG is just meta, and if that left something else would replace it. I also never stated that you get deleted, considering you should be able to prop up guard before DRG LB fairly easily and spam your recuperates til out. Doesn't change the fact that you were just pushed off the objective with such ease.

And my point about BH isn't about it being hard to get. It's the snowball effect from it. When half or more of one team is just there to level alt jobs and farm tomes, that snowball effect becomes menacing. It means that you can't do anything with even the small group of players that are there to play.

This is why pre-mades and organized parties are a nuisance. If FL was more like CC everyone would be rolling the dice on whether the team is even interested and will work well together or not. There'd be more natural openings. It'd be more of a level playing field even if half your team is afk hitting a rock themed target dummy while a big objective is up and the other two teams are fighting. This is the heart of the problem.

Yes, I like going into FL sometimes and giving my team call outs to tell them where to go so I can win and get more rewards at the end of the match. It makes me feel very good. =)

I've actually played many team games, and I notice that in those team games if your team is coordinated you do typically win more often than not. It doesn't take a genius to know that games like these typically encourage and reward players for working together in a team like what your suppose to.

You probably haven't. I mean haven't you heard the term solo carry? The only shooter I ever played where I actually had to communicate was OW. CSGO/PUBG both allowed you to carry your groups if you were good enough. MOBAs are the same to a degree. Obviously there's tools for sharing and communicating there, but that's just quick hand communication. That's not the same as roleplaying general.

[Valence]

Elitists tend to actually be good at whatever they're lecturing people about. But let's not pretend this isn't a bad faith answer considering you intentionally misunderstood everything I posted about.

I'm sorry if misunderstood everything. I'd be glad if you could explain again. Generally I tend to defend the point of view of more casual people vs gatekeepers, so perhaps I truly misunderstood something.

You discuss positioning when there is no proper way to position in a lot of instances in FLs. For example you're in the middle of Onsal, and it's so easy for anything with massive aoes to put in work.

Well, that's why I was speaking of positioning. I'm sorry to say but you're playing the mode wrong. What are you doing standing in the middle like that? Pvp in FLs is no different than CC, and even more so: you zoom in, do your thing, and zoom out. You're not supposed to stand there and getting demolished by everybody. Even as a melee job, you pick up targets, dive in, burst or secure a kill, then zoom out. I'll freely admit that some jobs like BLM under LB want to stand there a little longer, but you'll still try to stay at max range and guard/bail at the slightest sight of trouble (like 3 DRG LBs running to you). If you guard, then take that time to find an ally or even opponent further away to insta teleport out.

There is a legion of ways to position properly, the only difference with CC is that there is very little walls to hug to mitigate incoming damage, and the amount of players makes it instantly more lethal if you expose yourself. And that's why I said what I said: in that mode in particular (but all modes altogether anyway), you learn by being punished for positioning mistakes, there is no cutting it. It's really at the crux of 99% of the problem.

I've pointed it out before, but DRK/DRG is just meta, and if that left something else would replace it. I also never stated that you get deleted, considering you should be able to prop up guard before DRG LB fairly easily and spam your recuperates til out. Doesn't change the fact that you were just pushed off the objective with such ease.

I always agreed that the DRK/DRG combo is annoying, but it's not the only thing. Remove it and people will be back to SMN spamm or whatever works. We probably agree on that stacking big AoE nukes with no cap is essentially bad for the mode?

And my point about BH isn't about it being hard to get. It's the snowball effect from it. When half or more of one team is just there to level alt jobs and farm tomes, that snowball effect becomes menacing. It means that you can't do anything with even the small group of players that are there to play.

Sometimes you draw the bad team, sometimes the good team, and while some combos may magnify it to some degree, I don't think it's that prevalent. I see so many people getting BH5 and they're not in premades. It's just that sometimes a lot of the good players or tryhards are stacked on one side.

But let's be honest, that's a unicorn case, in most casts just by probabilities alone, you'll get good players in all teams, even though not in the same amounts. If you want to work on still securing a victory or at least getting a good try, it's almost always possible. You'll have people that will listen and follow. And the rest are just sheep anyway, and they will go where there is nodes or the team. Learn to play field commander, and it actually yields the best results, and it might often surprise you if you do it well.

This is why pre-mades and organized parties are a nuisance.

No. The problem is that you have first league football players playing with the group of friends of your 5y old little cousin in the same games.

I mean haven't you heard the term solo carry?

Solo carry? In a 72 man mode? Give me a break.

Also weren't you the one complaining about premade carries or something?