[Idea] Modification to ToS

[Ravenblade1979]

I notice a few very disturbing trends and I think ToS needs to be tweaked to include the following as prohibited.

1) people treating this game like its tinder.

Now before you crucify me on this one. Yeah I get the whole venue thing and actual couples who met in game. However the trend I talk about is the pfs I see of people seeking a bf or gf for in game and/or irl as well. Like I know online isn't rated but we got kids who play this game and stuff.

There needs to be a huge limit here and yes we can even include venue ad spam. Probably better off that's not on pf...same with feet girl who been using ffxiv as her platform to sell feet pics since covid started and square allows it.

2) begging in pf.

This has gotten a bit out of hand. You see people constantly begging for gil (or masking it as "donations"), you see people beg for mounts or mogstation items. Heck I even seen one beg for people to donate money to them to pay their own rent. That last one is mind boggling because everyone should know, bills come first. Always plan in case of problem spots.

I banter tho. Those two things really need to be added to tos as prohibited and of course venue ad spam cleaned up on pf.

As I suspect I might get trolls. Not going to pay attention to this after posted. You all banter amongst yourselves

[iVolke]

I agree with the begging. Maidenless behavior. The tinder part ain't ever gonna happen though. Looking at PF, most people seem to be playing this game like it's IMVU or Second Life. Cut that out and they'd lose quite a bit of money, and as a corporation that's all that matters at the end of the day.

[SophiaDL]

Now before you crucify me on this one. Yeah I get the whole venue thing and actual couples who met in game. However the trend I talk about is the pfs I see of people seeking a bf or gf for in game and/or irl as well. Like I know online isn't rated but we got kids who play this game and stuff.

Also it's none of your business what people do in this game, if they want to find partners in the game, so be it, good for them, hopefully they find their soulmate and continue on with a happier life than before, if not, well that's sad but life goes on, I'm not sure who you think you are to decide what people can or cant do with their gametime.

There needs to be a huge limit here and yes we can even include venue ad spam. Probably better off that's not on pf...same with feet girl who been using ffxiv as her platform to sell feet pics since covid started and square allows it.

Different ballpark tbh as people meeting each other in a video game and relationships, that one is absolutely cringe but SE is more focused on banning people who let a bad word slip than those people unfortunately

This has gotten a bit out of hand. You see people constantly begging for gil (or masking it as "donations"), you see people beg for mounts or mogstation items. Heck I even seen one beg for people to donate money to them to pay their own rent. That last one is mind boggling because everyone should know, bills come first. Always plan in case of problem spots.

Thanks mom, shall I go wash the dishes now ?

[Kaurhz]

'begging' for items that are either real-world goods or items traded with real-world currencies should be explicitly prohibited I would agree, purely because it does skirt the line with already-existing ToS entries. Beyond that, I am not really sure, honestly. At least for the 'e-begging' topic.

As for venue-ad spam, I think it needs to be carefully thought about for sure, I think it should only 1 be one advertisement per venue via PF, and advertising via /shout should be done sparingly. I know fellowships do exist and they have some niche uses, but I do think that separating out PF categories would help, e.g., add a social option, and then allow the other category for other miscellaneous things such as in-game trading with tomes, etc.,

Advertising 'not-safe' content on PF should be considered, but this particular thing just strikes me as something that you dislike and/or find 'cringeworthy' more than anything else, really. Explicit content such as advertising feet pics etc., on PF I do agree should absolutely be actioned. But honestly with a lot of things... What people think other people are doing and what people are actually doing are 2 entirely different things. These days you can have people being convinced that ERP'ing is going on in a public space simply because there are 2 people doing /hum and facing one another. - It's mind-boggling the postulations that people spin up in their own imagination. This is a little side tangent, but it does fall under the umbrella of being under the belief that people are using the game like a secondary Tinder etc., I guess.

[FenyxRising]

No. This is not important.

[Jeeqbit]

1) people treating this game like its tinder.

I'm sorry, but everywhere is like that. Where ever there is human interaction, you will find people looking for love. Back in ancient times, people who sent written letters to eachother would fall in love via letters, even though they had never met nor seen eachother. That is how one of my late relatives met their husband.

It's not uncommon for people to meet their husband/wife via an MMORPG. I have met more people who have than I could possibly remember and it's not recent either. This has happened since the earliest days of MMORPGs and online games.

Like I know online isn't rated but we got kids who play this game and stuff.

While it is true that young people play with parental oversight, the vast majority of people who play are adults. I remember being part of an FFXIV forum years ago and birthdays were public and everyone was 18+. Most were in their 20s or early 30s.

The free trial being extended beyond level 35 might have changed that, because before that you effectively needed to have a bank account with an awful lot of pocket money in order to play any past endgame content. Soon, you won't need one all the way up through Stormblood, so the amount of younger players could have significantly increased.

But I don't know, does this game really appeal to people that young compared to other aesthetics? Regardless, I doubt most of them get to level 90 because that would require paying.

There needs to be a huge limit here and yes we can even include venue ad spam.

I suppose, since I think free trials can view PF? Maybe disallow PF to free trials and that would mostly restrict it to adults.

[FenyxRising]

I'm sorry, but everywhere is like that. Where ever there is human interaction, you will find people looking for love. Back in ancient times, people who sent written letters to eachother would fall in love via letters, even though they had never met nor seen eachother. That is how one of my late relatives met their husband.

It's not uncommon for people to meet their husband/wife via an MMORPG. I have met more people who have than I could possibly remember and it's not recent either. This has happened since the earliest days of MMORPGs and online games.

No thanks, it makes it weird for everyone else especially when two boys fight over a girl in a static and cause an implosion.

Keep your discord daddy/kitten relationship to discord away from the game tyvm

[Jeeqbit]

No thanks, it makes it weird for everyone else especially when two boys fight over a girl in a static and cause an implosion.

I mean yes, that shouldn't happen but that happens everywhere. People will fight over someone at a workplace, at a school, anywhere really. If you have 3 humans and there is a triangle situation going on, it's just going to happen sometimes.

[Sebazy]

2) begging in pf.

This has gotten a bit out of hand. You see people constantly begging for gil (or masking it as "donations"), you see people beg for mounts or mogstation items. Heck I even seen one beg for people to donate money to them to pay their own rent. That last one is mind boggling because everyone should know, bills come first. Always plan in case of problem spots.

This is as old as the MMO genre itself, frankly all of the issues you raise are. I still remember the mass rofls and ridicule that flew after a key officer and raider in a rival guild accidentally typo'd his e-girl's cyber into /say at a contested camp. RO's 3 way love triangle on Bristlebane was worthy of a documentary if it had have happened today. The list goes on. Crazy times.

Simply making it against the ToS isn't really a viable answer though, there's a reason no ones done it. Obviously there's the money side of things, MMOs are glorified chat rooms to many, always have been and always will be, remove that aspect of things and you take away the soul of the game (note how lifeless solo queue DF usually feels when no one says a peep?). The other aspect that's routinely overlooked is actually policing it. The GM staff is clearly barebones as it is. How do you expect them to police this sort of stuff fairly, effectively and efficiently? And how long do you expect GMs to tolerate having to deal with it for before they pack their bags and run for the hills?

[Renalt]

/shout - looking for big tiddy goth gf to step on me.