which weapon?

[Hyrist]

AmyNeudaiz

I'd like to respectfully challenge your statements, if you'll entertain me.

Particularly in the matter of Piety as an inferior meld to Critical Attack on body pieces.

I've some spare Tortiseshell bodies that I could use to meld equivalent pieces (III > IV is the current double meld I have on my body.) And I'll go ahead and parse the two in comparison in a stable to damage situation. We can then compare which comes out on top in factors of average DPS and average damage.

No insults, no posturing. Just straight out investigation.


I'd like to do that for Ifrit vs Hart +1 as well but that would require me to get lucky on Ifrit, which I've stated, getting consistent primal runs (They get rotated) would be beyond my purview of possibility right now.

[Lacavi]

I'm still up in the air over which body piece to use. Either the Darksteel Hauby +1 I've been working on making, or the Serpent Lt Overcoat. I keep hearing different things, and I'm honestly wondering if 120 Crit Attack power and 3 STR => 8 ACC 7 ATT 33 PTY.

[AmyNeudaiz]

AmyNeudaiz

I'd like to respectfully challenge your statements, if you'll entertain me.

Particularly in the matter of Piety as an inferior meld to Critical Attack on body pieces.

I've some spare Tortiseshell bodies that I could use to meld equivalent pieces (III > IV is the current double meld I have on my body.) And I'll go ahead and parse the two in comparison in a stable to damage situation. We can then compare which comes out on top in factors of average DPS and average damage.

No insults, no posturing. Just straight out investigation.


I'd like to do that for Ifrit vs Hart +1 as well but that would require me to get lucky on Ifrit, which I've stated, getting consistent primal runs (They get rotated) would be beyond my purview of possibility right now.

I'll wait for your response then, I have no problem with being wrong but I do have a problem with being disrespected.
But as far as the +1 hart, I mainly say this because you can reach your max STR with melds here and put something on your hands to further your dps such as TP store materia which is great. Even if it's true that the weapons lower base damage can lead to hitting diminishing returns sooner, hitting a "golden standard" cap isn't the only thing that can increase your DPS.

[Malix]

Oh man those Garuda weapons. Suck low base damage must really hurt your stat caps. They are terrible aren't they?
/sarcasm
There could in all honesty just be a flaw in his formula. I haven't looked at that post since he first made it and his sample size was pretty small. I wouldn't really take that thread as solid fact unless it's been peer reviewed or cross referenced.

Rofl his sample size is much larger than what you presented which is nothing

[Hyrist]

It'll be a while before I can get the melds finished. Exploding Meteria and all that.

In the meanwhile we can discuss build theories as far as getting the best out of Heart.

Evenflow is an interesting alternative to strenght for glove, something I'll probably want to test later as well. However I wonder if you're undervaluing Piety because you may be undervaluing the damage on your Auto-Attacks.

In all of my parses, Auto Attack is without a doubt the strongest single source of my parses, and it's effected heavily by my Piety, as well is a small percentage of my Weaponskill damage. Your build suggests minimising this source in favor of maximizing WS frequency and damage.

Looking at my critical frequency distrobution (Which attacks crit the most often.) I can see some concept of wanting to WS more frequently.

You would contest that Piety is a waste against Critical Attack in the body slot. However that's actually not where your build conflicts with other players. The contest is Piety against Store TP, by my accounting of it.

An Alternative build were to be to forego the Store TP gloves and retain the STR on Your gloves, and instead of focusing Critical Attack on your body piece, do so on your weapon instead. This would increase your Critical damage without the sacrifice of a portion of your WS damage nor the modifier on your largest single source of damage.

My basis on this is the relative jump in damage I received when moving from my AF Body to a Piety body. The AF body's additional TP gain from Invigorate is about the same amount you would get from a double meld Store TP (maybe even triple?), on top of additional stats gathered.

We could make this correlation in testing if you wish as it would save me making multiple double-melds to test it out. Not that I mind blowing up meterial, weapons, and armor left and right. (Exciting!) But for the sake of timeliness it might just be better for me to craft a Double Meld Savage Heart +1 and test AF body against Piety body once again.

[AmyNeudaiz]

It'll be a while before I can get the melds finished. Exploding Meteria and all that.

In the meanwhile we can discuss build theories as far as getting the best out of Heart.

Evenflow is an interesting alternative to strenght for glove, something I'll probably want to test later as well. However I wonder if you're undervaluing Piety because you may be undervaluing the damage on your Auto-Attacks.

In all of my parses, Auto Attack is without a doubt the strongest single source of my parses, and it's effected heavily by my Piety, as well is a small percentage of my Weaponskill damage. Your build suggests minimising this source in favor of maximizing WS frequency and damage.

Looking at my critical frequency distrobution (Which attacks crit the most often.) I can see some concept of wanting to WS more frequently.

You would contest that Piety is a waste against Critical Attack in the body slot. However that's actually not where your build conflicts with other players. The contest is Piety against Store TP, by my accounting of it.

An Alternative build were to be to forego the Store TP gloves and retain the STR on Your gloves, and instead of focusing Critical Attack on your body piece, do so on your weapon instead. This would increase your Critical damage without the sacrifice of a portion of your WS damage nor the modifier on your largest single source of damage.

My basis on this is the relative jump in damage I received when moving from my AF Body to a Piety body. The AF body's additional TP gain from Invigorate is about the same amount you would get from a double meld Store TP (maybe even triple?), on top of additional stats gathered.

We could make this correlation in testing if you wish as it would save me making multiple double-melds to test it out. Not that I mind blowing up meterial, weapons, and armor left and right. (Exciting!) But for the sake of timeliness it might just be better for me to craft a Double Meld Savage Heart +1 and test AF body against Piety body once again.

Although I do have a parse and wouldn't mind doing some of this testing, I'm in a bit of a break from some very unfortunate luck in game that's left me more that frustrated with the game at the moment.
But any insight you'd be willing to put in regards to testing WS frequency apposed to steady capped auto attack damage DPS wise would be a worthwhile read and I look forward to it if so you choose to do testing.

[Eliseus]

even if she is wrong in this case, do you just sit on this board all day looking for people you know are wrong then patronizing them?

Fixed and no, I waited all day yesterday to tell someone they are bad.

[Kagato]

So... um... Is Ifrit Weapon better or worse than the Maelstrom weapons? Mog/Garuda weapons?

[HoolieWho]

Looking at my critical frequency distrobution (Which attacks crit the most often.) I can see some concept of wanting to WS more frequently.

Have you looked at the effects of Critical Attack Power and Critical Rate in your parses? I've seen Kaeko's crit testing, but I believe the game has changed since then in regard to how crits work. Biggest issue for me right now is judging Crit gear versus STR/PIE/Atk.

I suppose the simplest test is how Crit Rate+ gear enhances crit rate. I've never seen numbers for this. Would be great to know.

[Raldo]

So... um... Is Ifrit Weapon better or worse than the Maelstrom weapons? Mog/Garuda weapons?

As a general all-DoW-classes rule, it's

Garuda > Lieutenant Weapon > Moogle/Ifrit

Of course, this is not taking any of their additional stats into account, so your mileage may vary.

Anyone with a more math oriented braincase can feel free to trump this claim. I won't get butthurt. To be entirely honest, I was just comparing the DPS number listed on the weapons.