which weapon?

[Jekyll]

Sorry, but Ifrit's is better, and not just because of "str vs. attack".

[AmyNeudaiz]

Holy shit since when did people who think something else is better incite so much hatred?





























Oh wait this is the FFXIV forum. Instead of ad hominem attacks on my IQ why don't you come back with a better reason than "because I said you're stupid". Until then, have fun.

[Malix]

Holy shit since when did people who think something else is better incite so much hatred?





























Oh wait this is the FFXIV forum. Instead of ad hominem attacks on my IQ why don't you come back with a better reason than "because I said you're stupid". Until then, have fun.

whats the point? you prolly wouldnt get it anyways lol

[AmyNeudaiz]

whats the point? you prolly wouldnt get it anyways lol

Oh, I see. You don't have any facts you're gonna avoid trying to prove your case.

[Eliseus]

Oh, I see. You don't have any facts you're gonna avoid trying to prove your case.

Someone already tried pointing facts out with what the DPS and Damage done compared to both are and you still didn't listen. What else do you want, "Pie * x + ahghahar * argarearvarv = blah blah"? Like wtf, really?

[AmyNeudaiz]

Someone already tried pointing facts out with what the DPS and Damage done compared to both are and you still didn't listen. What else do you want, "Pie * x + ahghahar * argarearvarv = blah blah"? Like wtf, really?

Holy shi... and you people call me stupid. Auto attack damage is not comparable to weapon skill damage, period. STR increases your WS damage by a considerable amount while damage adds to your auto attack damage how are you not getting this? If you pick which weapon alone is stronger then the winner goes to the +1 crafted with decent double STR materia.

As far as my other post about Pie vs Crit Attack that was already covered earlier in this thread.

[Hyrist]

AmyNeudaiz

I'd like to respectfully challenge your statements, if you'll entertain me.

Particularly in the matter of Piety as an inferior meld to Critical Attack on body pieces.

I've some spare Tortiseshell bodies that I could use to meld equivalent pieces (III > IV is the current double meld I have on my body.) And I'll go ahead and parse the two in comparison in a stable to damage situation. We can then compare which comes out on top in factors of average DPS and average damage.

No insults, no posturing. Just straight out investigation.


I'd like to do that for Ifrit vs Hart +1 as well but that would require me to get lucky on Ifrit, which I've stated, getting consistent primal runs (They get rotated) would be beyond my purview of possibility right now.

[AmyNeudaiz]

AmyNeudaiz

I'd like to respectfully challenge your statements, if you'll entertain me.

Particularly in the matter of Piety as an inferior meld to Critical Attack on body pieces.

I've some spare Tortiseshell bodies that I could use to meld equivalent pieces (III > IV is the current double meld I have on my body.) And I'll go ahead and parse the two in comparison in a stable to damage situation. We can then compare which comes out on top in factors of average DPS and average damage.

No insults, no posturing. Just straight out investigation.


I'd like to do that for Ifrit vs Hart +1 as well but that would require me to get lucky on Ifrit, which I've stated, getting consistent primal runs (They get rotated) would be beyond my purview of possibility right now.

I'll wait for your response then, I have no problem with being wrong but I do have a problem with being disrespected.
But as far as the +1 hart, I mainly say this because you can reach your max STR with melds here and put something on your hands to further your dps such as TP store materia which is great. Even if it's true that the weapons lower base damage can lead to hitting diminishing returns sooner, hitting a "golden standard" cap isn't the only thing that can increase your DPS.

[Lacavi]

I'm still up in the air over which body piece to use. Either the Darksteel Hauby +1 I've been working on making, or the Serpent Lt Overcoat. I keep hearing different things, and I'm honestly wondering if 120 Crit Attack power and 3 STR => 8 ACC 7 ATT 33 PTY.

[Hyrist]

It'll be a while before I can get the melds finished. Exploding Meteria and all that.

In the meanwhile we can discuss build theories as far as getting the best out of Heart.

Evenflow is an interesting alternative to strenght for glove, something I'll probably want to test later as well. However I wonder if you're undervaluing Piety because you may be undervaluing the damage on your Auto-Attacks.

In all of my parses, Auto Attack is without a doubt the strongest single source of my parses, and it's effected heavily by my Piety, as well is a small percentage of my Weaponskill damage. Your build suggests minimising this source in favor of maximizing WS frequency and damage.

Looking at my critical frequency distrobution (Which attacks crit the most often.) I can see some concept of wanting to WS more frequently.

You would contest that Piety is a waste against Critical Attack in the body slot. However that's actually not where your build conflicts with other players. The contest is Piety against Store TP, by my accounting of it.

An Alternative build were to be to forego the Store TP gloves and retain the STR on Your gloves, and instead of focusing Critical Attack on your body piece, do so on your weapon instead. This would increase your Critical damage without the sacrifice of a portion of your WS damage nor the modifier on your largest single source of damage.

My basis on this is the relative jump in damage I received when moving from my AF Body to a Piety body. The AF body's additional TP gain from Invigorate is about the same amount you would get from a double meld Store TP (maybe even triple?), on top of additional stats gathered.

We could make this correlation in testing if you wish as it would save me making multiple double-melds to test it out. Not that I mind blowing up meterial, weapons, and armor left and right. (Exciting!) But for the sake of timeliness it might just be better for me to craft a Double Meld Savage Heart +1 and test AF body against Piety body once again.