Thank you to YoshiP and the devs for the Rising

[RosaliaDLB]

But you're still speculating that every mog release is a success and you are making the claim that the game is being held up by whales, when in fact the game simply has more players, more subs, and possibly more mog station purchases due to the larger playerbase.

The WoW exodus was some time ago at this point, those players have many options to play other games that aren't XIV. It's not like they had to come here or stay here in a year with quite a few high-profile games coming out to compete for player time and attention. So grats on XIV for attracting players from a competitor, due to the high quality of their game.

The people FFXIV attracted, or at least a certain percentage of them, is basically just venue goers, roleplayers (ERPers too) and the likes, basically people not playing the game, so not a big loss really

Also I didnt say the game is "held up" by whales, I said there are a lot of them, of course there are more people as I just mentioned, thanks to the WoW exodus and people joining naturally as well from other games or wherever they came from

[ZephyrMenodora]

The people FFXIV attracted, or at least a certain percentage of them, is basically just venue goers, roleplayers and the likes, basically people not playing the game, so not a big loss really

Who cares why they are here. They are paying players who like certain features. Who are you, someone who said you hate nearly all content except housing, to judge others?

[RosaliaDLB]

Who cares why they are here. They are paying players who like certain features. Who are you, someone who said you hate nearly all content except housing, to judge others?

We could have a talk about what made me join the game but I dont think it'd be very appropriate especially with the great 20 messages a day quota, if you truly think I originally joined FFXIV with the idea of doing housing, you are very wrong, Shadowlands was an absolute bore, and I joined FFXIV because I wanted to do content, not do housing, but sadly I was very let down by how bad the content is in FFXIV, it's just plain mediocre, jobs also have 0 uniqueness to them which doesnt help anything

[ZephyrMenodora]

We could have a talk about what made me join the game but I dont think it'd be very appropriate especially with the great 20 messages a day quota, if you truly think I originally joined FFXIV with the idea of doing housing, you are very wrong, Shadowlands was an absolute bore, and I joined FFXIV because I wanted to do content, not do housing, but sadly I was very let down by how bad the content is in FFXIV, it's just plain mediocre

But why don't you find a game that has content you want to do then? I am genuinely curious. You aren't forced to stay here in your house if you are so let down. Are there not other games that have content you prefer doing?

I'm not telling you to leave before you think that is the case, I am just wondering if you do spend time elsewhere or what keeps you here for just housing and being disappointed.

[SophiaDL]

But why don't you find a game that has content you want to do then? I am genuinely curious. You aren't forced to stay here in your house if you are so let down. Are there not other games that have content you prefer doing?

I'm not telling you to leave before you think that is the case, I am just wondering if you do spend time elsewhere or what keeps you here for just housing and being disappointed.

I get you very well, and I mentioned it a few times already on the forums, I play WoW for its content, and FFXIV for the social aspect and of course housing, I still dont think that disqualifies me from having an opinion on FFXIV's content though, considering I have tried it at all at this point

Both games have their flaws, and FFXIV's flaw is the absolutely mediocre content, while WoW has a lot less of a social aspect to the game.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I get you very well, and I mentioned it a few times already on the forums, I play WoW for its content, and FFXIV for the social aspect and of course housing, I still dont think that disqualifies me from having an opinion on FFXIV's content though, considering I have tried it at all at this point

I can like this, and it puts a lot into perspective. It sounds like WOW is doing some things very well content-wise. And I'm someone who has had stints in game for housing, so I get that too.

I also agree that you definitely should have a say on how you feel about XIV content, and I can see challenge-wise, job design wise, or encounter design wise why you see room for improvement. Having played a lot more challenging MMOs, I agree with you.

[SophiaDL]

I can like this, and it puts a lot into perspective. It sounds like WOW is doing some things very well content-wise. And I'm someone who has had stints in game for housing, so I get that too.

I also agree that you definitely should have a say on how you feel about XIV content, and I can see challenge-wise, job design wise, or encounter design wise why you see room for improvement. Having played a lot more challenging MMOs, I agree with you.

I am glad we can agree with each other, I am not here to be at war with people playing FFXIV, I have said many times I love FFXIV because of its housing system in particular and the social aspect of it, I just really think the content itself is boring, the jobs are also a massive letdown, they just arent... very fun ?

M+ would be an amazing idea that FFXIV could take from WoW, especially since IIRC Yoshi P said he took quite a few ideas from WoW, repeatable dungeons with affixes/difficulties would at least make it more fun, the problem is that the daily activities have 0 challenge in FFXIV, except if you want to repeat the same savage raids over and over and over and over again, or repeat the same few ultimates a million times, there just isnt enough that is challenging

[ZephyrMenodora]

I am glad we can agree with each other, I am not here to be at war with people playing FFXIV, I have said many times I love FFXIV because of its housing system in particular and the social aspect of it, I just really think the content itself is boring, the jobs are also a massive letdown, they just arent... very fun ?

M+ would be an amazing idea that FFXIV could take from WoW, especially since IIRC Yoshi P said he took quite a few ideas from WoW, repeatable dungeons with affixes/difficulties would at least make it more fun, the problem is that the daily activities have 0 challenge in FFXIV, except if you want to repeat the same savage raids over and over and over and over again, or repeat the same few ultimates a million times, there just isnt enough that is challenging

I think my main issue is that a lot of the jobs feel...samey, if that makes sense? I do appreciate some of the spectacle for some classes visually, but what I'm actually doing doesn't feel super different between jobs of the same basic type.

And I know you mentioned the 2 minute meta in the past, which adds to this problem.

Probably out of my 20 posts, so I guess I have to bow out and let other people talk lol

[SophiaDL]

I think my main issue is that a lot of the jobs feel...samey, if that makes sense? I do appreciate some of the spectacle for some classes visually, but what I'm actually doing doesn't feel super different between jobs of the same basic type.

And I know you mentioned the 2 minute meta in the past, which adds to this problem.

Probably out of my 20 posts, so I guess I have to bow out and let other people talk lol

Yeah I agree, the game is very visual aimed, yet the actual spells themselves sadly just arent very fun, as you mentioned they kind of are all the same, and yeah the 2 mins meta is just meh.

Also the daily posts quota is absolutely ridiculous, I have said this multiple times, I have never seen a video game forum that has a limit on daily posts, especially at only 20, you can barely have a conversation with a person with that many posts, and then you have to wait 24 hours, it's just ridiculous.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Yeah I agree, the game is very visual aimed, yet the actual spells themselves sadly just arent very fun, as you mentioned they kind of are all the same, and yeah the 2 mins meta is just meh.

Also the daily posts quota is absolutely ridiculous, I have said this multiple times, I have never seen a video game forum that has a limit on daily posts, especially at only 20, you can barely have a conversation with a person with that many posts, and then you have to wait 24 hours, it's just ridiculous.

It's almost like they only want us talking where they can easily get rid of us and they only let us continue here because we are completely irrelevant.