I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Mithron]

That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

Is this "guy" always wrong?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

You forgot something[...]

The important things that you consistently missing is the fact that you made a biased observation for whatever reason & have misplaced your blame on a random healer---that was something that Sebazy tried to point out to you (and later on Bole & ForsakenRoe, too): if it's anybody's fault, it's definitely not to be shouldered by that healer alone; you too played a part that leads to your own death as well. They were correcting you.

Furthermore, while Sebazy is indeed too blunt with her words, it doesn't deny the fact that there has been indeed more than just "more dps" and nothing else as you've put it few pages ago:

[...]Apparently this is peak gameplay design by the so called ffxiv forum/reddit "healer" community..
Since they don't complain about this .. they just complain about lack of dps rota, more dps abilties.. ect
(Read one and you have read them all)

Please don't be like this:

[Sebazy]

That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

Link where I said you were a lost cause because of 1 vuln stack. I’ll be waiting.

Personally, If I was one of those healers, I expect I would have saved you because I’d have tetra/Benisoned which would have been more than enough (remember, you died by something like 180hp). But if I was in your situation and died, I would also be able to accept that with the vuln stack was my own doing and as such, it’s not fair to hold other players to a higher standard than I myself was playing at.

TLDR, your reading comprehension is utterly awful and the point is clearly being missed here.

Do you honestly think you need to ST heal someone whom has 1 vuln stack to keep them alive?

At this particular point in time with these circumstances? The math says yes clearly

HOWEVER

If you had even a little more gear, had bothered to use food or the group (healers and yourself included) had have had slighter better CD and mitigation timing, you’d have likely been fine.

My point wasn’t that this was entirely your fault. My point was rather, the healers weren’t to blame like you tried to suggest.

YOU claimed that you received no heals. YOU claimed that you were at full HP

I simply demonstrated that you did actually get healing, that you weren’t actually at full HP (because you had a vuln stack that meant you were the only one in the group that wasn’t topped) and lastly, you were the only person that died. If the healers were sleeping, more people should have died no?

[Aravell]

I’ve spent the last 5 pages before this argument specifically asking for near every single heal button SCH has to be nerfed specifically so I would be forced to rely on succor more, use broil less and be more tactical with when you can ED

Are you guys like actually not reading our suggestions or are you reading them, deciding you don’t like our specific suggestions then strawmanning us

I’m genuinely curious, no other section of the forums has such a strong culture of “I read the threads up till now, that’s why I know you didn’t say (exactly what I said) you said (thing I didn’t say)”

Honestly, if anyone else claims that we only say we want more damage buttons and never give suggestions or talk about anything else, literally just link the healer suggestions megathread and say nothing further.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Honestly, if anyone else claims that we only say we want more damage buttons and never give suggestions or talk about anything else, literally just link the healer suggestions megathread and say nothing further.

I’m sure it won’t take too long until another “OMG YOU WANT TO MAKE HEALERS ALL BLM??? NOT IN MY FOURTEEN!! ;;W;;”-pops up and the cycle begins once more.

[Supersnow845]

I’m sure it won’t take too long until another “OMG YOU WANT TO MAKE HEALERS ALL BLM??? NOT IN MY FOURTEEN!! ;;W;;”-pops up and the cycle begins once more.

To be honest the core 6-10 of us need to stop being baited by these people ourselves (I admit I get way too heated way too often)

We should honestly just create a master list of every time one of us makes a point about something and when someone comes in trying to say one of the (insert things we never asked for) we just link the master list

It would be more boring but it might actually get it through people’s heads we aren’t a cabal holding the healer forums hostage demanding BLM level rotations like half the general forum seems to think we are

[Mithron]

we aren’t a cabal holding the healer forums hostage demanding BLM level rotations like half the general forum seems to think we are

I mean, that wouldn't be a bad thing if you were.

[Aravell]

To be honest the core 6-10 of us need to stop being baited by these people ourselves (I admit I get way too heated way too often)

We should honestly just create a master list of every time one of us makes a point about something and when someone comes in trying to say one of the (insert things we never asked for) we just link the master list

It would be more boring but it might actually get it through people’s heads we aren’t a cabal holding the healer forums hostage demanding BLM level rotations like half the general forum seems to think we are

I respect the attempt to correct any misunderstandings that people have. But at some point, it becomes pretty obvious when someone has an idea so deeply set into their mind that they refuse to see a thing any other way, it's best to disengage with those types of people as any discussion will go nowhere fast.

[Sani2341]

We should honestly just create a master list of every time one of us makes a point about something and when someone comes in trying to say one of the (insert things we never asked for) we just link the master list

Now I am imgaining a very bored and fed up forum goer linking to a googledoc with a blunt 'see subsection 4c paragraph a1 for the list of refutations of this argument'

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

To be honest the core 6-10 of us need to stop being baited by these people ourselves (I admit I get way too heated way too often)[...]

I respect the attempt to correct any misunderstandings that people have. But at some point, it becomes pretty obvious when someone has an idea so deeply set into their mind that they refuse to see a thing any other way, it's best to disengage with those types of people as any discussion will go nowhere fast.

To be fair in my eyes, it's not about trying to change their mind (I mean that would be nice of a bonus if it actually happens). I'm sure we recognize their stance and they're unlikely to budge---they've made their point, I can't change that. But I can still inform/convince the otherwise to those who read the replies aftermath.