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  1. #1011
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    mallleable's Avatar
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Eukrasian Toxikon, Dyskrasia, and Phlegma should absolutely be a thing for SGE, but I don't know what their effects would be though.
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  2. #1012
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    Sakura Ichijo
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    DPS is secondary, and you do so when you don't have to heal?
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    Last edited by TBerry; 02-06-2024 at 07:37 PM.

  3. #1013
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Quote Originally Posted by mallleable View Post
    Eukrasian Toxikon, Dyskrasia, and Phlegma should absolutely be a thing for SGE, but I don't know what their effects would be though.
    How about we combine those with the 'more interesting kardia effects' idea floating around?

    give Eukrasian Toxikon a Regen effect instead of the normal flat heal.

    E. Dyskrasia could do an AoE heal centered on the kardia target.

    E. Phlegma could give a Shield to the Kardia target instead of a heal.

    Give all of them bigger than normal MP cost to offset the extra healing these effects would provide.
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  4. #1014
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    DPS is secondary, and you do so when you dpn't have to heal?
    Indeed. We press 1 button about as much as any tanks does their auto attacks.
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  5. #1015
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    DPS is secondary, and you do so when you don't have to heal?
    Which is most of the time unfortunately =/
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  6. #1016
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I would honestly say that in current healer design, healing is secondary to doing damage at this point.

    At 60-80% of your total casts, your damage buttons see far more use than your healing buttons, even in supposedly harder content.
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  7. #1017
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    Metalface Villain
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    Phoenix
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    in another thread someone was saying how useless cure 1 is and imo cure 2 also, my quick take for that which is relevant here as well was that they can remove cure 1 and 2 and put 1 or 2 more dps spells and spice up the rotations and playstyles. they can instead have one of the later healing spells available early to compensate or if you will add only one new dps spell, make cure 1 upgrade to 2 and later to the instant lily heal. the same can be applied to the aoe heals and similarly to the other healers with their own versions of cure 1,2 etc. i think this isn't a proper solution, that would be a complete rework of all jobs quite frankly but at least with this suggestion you can get an easy and fast fix.
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  8. #1018
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    DPS is secondary, and you do so when you don't have to heal?
    DPS is not secondary:

    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post



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  9. #1019
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    DPS is not secondary:
    I guess the problem the devs are having is that some people use 'secondary' to refer to 'where in our list of priorities damage is', that is, 'we keep the party alive first and foremost, and only then do we consider damage', whereas others use it to refer to how often one or the other is used as part of our gameplay, and so it seems that there's not a consensus, due to the misunderstanding
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  10. #1020
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    At that point it's just arguing semantics which get neither of us or them anywhere with that.
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