I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Nadda]

Ah yes, I challenge your argument and you skip straight to the insults, how wonderful.

I never once claimed that I was one of the 1% elites, I said healing savage and ultimates is rote memorisation, you can map the entire fight out and just follow it to the letter repeatedly until you clear, that's not a lie, that's the truth.

But yes, just insult me because I say something that you don't want to hear, that's a delightful tactic that a lot of people in this community enjoy engaging in.

Don't pretend I got your feelings hurt your cutting remarks show your true nature. I didn't attack you I attacked your position, your ego notwithstanding. Or should we all consider disregarding people as disingenuous and presumptuous as cordial discourse? Sure I said to hell with you, because your proposed argument is built on deceit and shrewd venomous words, as you appear in a false sense of self-righteousness. Snake in the grass. If you are to bore any insult from me that'd be it. Your words are venom. Like a snake, you smile with your hidden fangs but I have keen eyes to see you.

If you were being genuine which your form of argumentation was not you'd understand. I know you're not saying you are the 1% of 1% but claiming you're going through the motions on every fight at the highest level of execution is nonsense. It is a lie.
Because there's no conceivable way you're doing that content without focus and executing with flawless precision. To presume otherwise places you at a level that is beyond what is normal even at a high level. So I'm not placing you there. You're placing yourself there. I'm saying that's not normal.


You're still ignoring my proposition which is that Healers need more DPS options and not a rotation.
If you want genuine discourse that's where the conversation is centered. If you don't find some other prey. I'll not be having it.

[AmiableApkallu]

You're still ignoring my proposition which is that Healers need more DPS options and not a rotation. If you want genuine discourse that's where the conversation is centered.

The discourse moved past that question months and years ago, as best as I've seen.

I can't recall the last time I saw someone propose that healers have a strict rotational loop for their DPS actions. That only works if you strip out GCD heals and rely entirely on oGCDs, similarly to how tanks work with respect to mitigations.

The more common stance is in fact the opposite: dial down the power of oGCDs heals, make GCDs heals interesting again, and increase DPS complexity while preserving the flexibility needed to use GCD heals as needed. (There's also usually a related desire to make fights hit harder.) To the extent that anyone talks about a "rotation" in reference to whatever a healer does when they're not healing, it's a sort of imprecision carried over from the other roles. To the extent that anyone compares healer DPS actions to tank DPS actions, it's to make a point about overall complexity, not the tank's strict rotational DPS loop.

[Saraide]

The discourse moved past that question months and years ago, as best as I've seen.

I can't recall the last time I saw someone propose that healers have a strict rotational loop for their DPS actions. That only works if you strip out GCD heals and rely entirely on oGCDs, similarly to how tanks work with respect to mitigations.

The more common stance is in fact the opposite: dial down the power of oGCDs heals, make GCDs heals interesting again, and increase DPS complexity while preserving the flexibility needed to use GCD heals as needed. (There's also usually a related desire to make fights hit harder.) To the extent that anyone talks about a "rotation" in reference to whatever a healer does when they're not healing, it's a sort of imprecision carried over from the other roles. To the extent that anyone compares healer DPS actions to tank DPS actions, it's to make a point about overall complexity, not the tank's strict rotational DPS loop.

Correct. The goal isnt to introduce a 123 melee combo, a gauge spender GCD, a gauge gainer oGCD, an oGCD that makes your gauge spenders free and several barely related damage ogcds. Not that, but a similar level of complexity. And definitely not the same for all 4 healers.

[Nadda]

The discourse moved past that question months and years ago, as best as I've seen.

I can't recall the last time I saw someone propose that healers have a strict rotational loop for their DPS actions. That only works if you strip out GCD heals and rely entirely on oGCDs, similarly to how tanks work with respect to mitigations.

The more common stance is in fact the opposite: dial down the power of oGCDs heals, make GCDs heals interesting again, and increase DPS complexity while preserving the flexibility needed to use GCD heals as needed. (There's also usually a related desire to make fights hit harder.) To the extent that anyone talks about a "rotation" in reference to whatever a healer does when they're not healing, it's a sort of imprecision carried over from the other roles. To the extent that anyone compares healer DPS actions to tank DPS actions, it's to make a point about overall complexity, not the tank's strict rotational DPS loop.

That's fair. Yes, I'd agree with that premise then.