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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    The pvp team has more freedom in what they can do with the jobs skills than the people who are doing the PvE content.
    PVP Sage is a thousand times more fun than PVE Sage, and nearly all of its kit would function perfectly fine in PVE.

    Shorter cooldowns in Eurkrasian Dosis III and Phelgma III? Amazing! OGCD Toxikon with the Toxikon II upgrade when your Eukrasian Dosis III barrier breaks? It would likely break all the time in PVE with no concern about timing or anything, but nothing about it is mechanically broken or unfit for PVE, and I would gladly take that over the steeping pile of stormblood lily feces that Addersting is currently.

    What doesn't work? Well Pneuma being a DPS laser is fantastic, but attaching Panhaima to it on cast means that, like Assize, the Panhaima's usefulness is largely dependent on whether or not you needed those barriers whenever Pneuma came off cooldown. But if you simply make it so that Pneuma casts enable a free cast of Panhaima, thus giving you the control to cast it as you need it, that would resolve that issue completely. Mesotes is the only thing that straight up doesn't work, but it's also the PVP limit break. I don't feel like PVE Sage needs that or anything like it, so remove Mesotes and update everything eise with PVP Sage (including the cooldowns for E. Dosis III, Phlegma III, and Pneuma), with the small consideration for how Pneuma works, and adjust the potencies accordingly for PVE, and we have a Sage that is 20 times better than the dogshit we have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    PVP Sage is a thousand times more fun than PVE Sage, and nearly all of its kit would function perfectly fine in PVE.

    Shorter cooldowns in Eurkrasian Dosis III and Phelgma III? Amazing! OGCD Toxikon with the Toxikon II upgrade when your Eukrasian Dosis III barrier breaks? It would likely break all the time in PVE with no concern about timing or anything, but nothing about it is mechanically broken or unfit for PVE, and I would gladly take that over the steeping pile of stormblood lily feces that Addersting is currently.

    What doesn't work? Well Pneuma being a DPS laser is fantastic, but attaching Panhaima to it on cast means that, like Assize, the Panhaima's usefulness is largely dependent on whether or not you needed those barriers whenever Pneuma came off cooldown. But if you simply make it so that Pneuma casts enable a free cast of Panhaima, thus giving you the control to cast it as you need it, that would resolve that issue completely. Mesotes is the only thing that straight up doesn't work, but it's also the PVP limit break. I don't feel like PVE Sage needs that or anything like it, so remove Mesotes and update everything eise with PVP Sage (including the cooldowns for E. Dosis III, Phlegma III, and Pneuma), with the small consideration for how Pneuma works, and adjust the potencies accordingly for PVE, and we have a Sage that is 20 times better than the dogshit we have now.
    It's probably a good question that hopefully finds its way to the developers. My own thought is the want people to feel like they are growing with the character as they go through the story, so trying to break the system down into what we got in PvP would underplay the feeling of growth. However, the idea of "growth" is why a lot of jobs need to get constantly pruned of abilities because the general method each expansion of showing growth is to throw some new skill on the hot bar and upgrade the visuals on older ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    It's probably a good question that hopefully finds its way to the developers. My own thought is the want people to feel like they are growing with the character as they go through the story, so trying to break the system down into what we got in PvP would underplay the feeling of growth. However, the idea of "growth" is why a lot of jobs need to get constantly pruned of abilities because the general method each expansion of showing growth is to throw some new skill on the hot bar and upgrade the visuals on older ones.
    Oh I wasn't suggesting reducing the entirety of PVE into PVP, but using what PVP has and changing what tools align with the PVE kit into their PVP iterations. I still don't like how Aethergall is just a reskin of Scholar's resources, and how it utterly dominates Sage's healing priority system... you know, the thing that offers niether barriers nor healing through DPS mechanics? The very bland, generalized OGCD pure heals, regens, and mitigation? I would so much rather Kardia be the centerpiece of Sage's healing style, but just drastically increasing the frequency of DPS actions to that of PVP Sage, making Pneuma a DPS tool and not a glorified, DPS neutral Cure III, and tossing the current Addersting system into the trash can where it belongs, then setting said trash can of fire and blasting it into space in favor of the PVP Addersting... All that while changing nothing else would do wonders for the job.
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