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  1. #841
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Honestly it’s like reading through a chatGPT generated response.

    On the topic on hand though… there are already several suggestions within this thread alone. Many more littered elsewhere (a lot more in the dreaded healer subforum). But here’s one of the most recent one that ForsakenRoe laid out not any longer than 10 days ago: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6403946

    Geez people… read lol. No wonder to this day people still don’t know Zoe boosts Pneuma/Krasis is OP when used on conjunction with Haima/thinking Recitation is only for spreadlo

    I really like something in that post that is true no matter what your position on the healer problem is and that is-- please change something. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. The team needs to stop being afraid that something might fail. The newer patch content has not been well received-- the game has not collapsed. The slow progress on job design seems strange.

    Even the job changes we are aware of have been, and are still, quite far away. I've been told the team is quite small and I suppose that's why. Especially with so much of XIV locked into a rigid schedule, it would just be nice if during these lulls they tried out new things.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 01-25-2024 at 11:52 AM.

  2. #842
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    I'm not strawmanning, I'm being logical. People are asking that they not have to hit 1 button over and over to do damage because it is boring. Either you add new gcd damage skills, probably not more than 2 because they wont introduce that many new skills period. So either your spamming 1 skill and mixing in a couple more buttons rarely or you are 1-2-3 your way to victory. Since the main complaint has been boredom, one would assume you want the 1-2-3. Adding dots or oGCDs doesn't fix the boredom issue, and to be fair neither does 1-2-3
    That is in no way a logical assumption, there is a thread in the healer subforums about healer change suggestions and not one of them mentions a 1-2-3 combo as something we'd like to see.

    You very obviously haven't done any research at all into what the community wants if you think we can be split into 2 camps of "2 DoTs" and "1-2-3 combo".

    EDIT: Also, I'm still waiting for someone to lay out this miraculous type of design that can keep the veterans fully engaged with only healing across all content while also not massively overwhelming the weaker/newer healers. I'd be very interested to see it.
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    Last edited by Aravell; 01-25-2024 at 11:57 AM.

  3. #843
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    We need a time mage job that switch party job skills and that would be complex enough, beter than BLM complexity.
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    Last edited by Fellgon; 01-25-2024 at 12:05 PM.

  4. #844
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    You're not alone , i think we should have way higher healing requirements too ^o^

    Healers in FFXIV spend 80% of their time dpsing and 20% healing.

    Apparently this is peak gameplay design by the so called ffxiv forum/reddit "healer" community..
    Since they don't complain about this .. they just complain about lack of dps rota, more dps abilties.. ect
    (Read one and you have read them all)
    Right, because talks of also wanting to prune the healing action bloat, make healing more interactive, and restore the healthier balance between healing and DPS uptimes hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. It's almost like someone might be cherry picking.
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  5. #845
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    Never said anything about 1-2-3 "combos" just said using 1-2-3, as in 3 separate dps skills. Don't honestly care if I had 10 unique dps skills on my healer, IMO no amount of damage skills will make the role fun to play, because at the end of the day the main part of the role "healing" will still be boring and a side job
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    You're not alone , i think we should have way higher healing requirements too ^o^

    Healers in FFXIV spend 80% of their time dpsing and 20% healing.

    Apparently this is peak gameplay design by the so called ffxiv forum/reddit "healer" community..
    Since they don't complain about this .. they just complain about lack of dps rota, more dps abilties.. ect
    (Read one and you have read them all)
    you have literally never done any high end content on a healer and it's painfully obvious with all of your posts you have literally 0 clue what you're talking about
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  7. #847
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    Never said anything about 1-2-3 "combos" just said using 1-2-3, as in 3 separate dps skills. Don't honestly care if I had 10 unique dps skills on my healer, IMO no amount of damage skills will make the role fun to play, because at the end of the day the main part of the role "healing" will still be boring and a side job
    Cool, then stop talking and let those of us who do want unique skills to continue asking for it. If it doesn't matter for you, then stop trying to undermine other players for something irrelevant to you.
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  8. #848
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    It seems that "you have no idea what you talking about" is the jack of all trades for arguments around here.

    just saying just saying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellgon View Post
    It seems that "you have no idea what you talking about" is the jack of all trades for arguments around here.

    just saying just saying!
    Then tell me, what is it I want? You seem to know what I want more than I do apparently, so enlighten me on what I'm asking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    […]EDIT: Also, I'm still waiting for someone to lay out this miraculous type of design that can keep the veterans fully engaged with only healing across all content while also not massively overwhelming the weaker/newer healers. I'd be very interested to see it.
    The rotation is 4 0 4. Rinse and repeat. Error 404 not found.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fellgon View Post
    It seems that "you have no idea what you talking about" is the jack of all trades for arguments around here.

    just saying just saying!
    It’s a valid concern.

    The reason is simple: inexperienced will never understand the high ends because they either lack the experience or insight beyond ‘feelycraft’. But veterans on the other hand could understand on both ends because each of them was once an ‘inexperienced’ too at some point in their progression.

    Do your research, experience the role in differing content(s), and maybe get better. Or not, because I don’t pay your sub.
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