I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Mortex]

Don't you get it? You actually have to move closer to the enemy to cast Phlegma. That means it's special.

Yeah especially that now all bosses have hitboxes that reach almost to the edge making the short range really matter xD. If people tell me this as an argument for healer role gameplay I instantly discard these opinions and I can’t take them serious anymore.

[Mortex]

i think there needs to be some compromise, on one end i agree that there needs to be more engagement with some of the healers, on the other hand i like to turn my brain off and be a glare mages sometimes, plus healer is the de-facto class to put your "i'm not learning to play that but ill be dammed if you exclude me from X" friend/spouse/family member..

so i say at least half the healers need to be overhauled and add some engaging rotational dps mechanics to them. i vote to leave whm as it is for newer players and people learning still to have a entry level healer to fall back on, i say WHM because it is the healer kit class, it has all the heal buttons, it makes sense for its damage profile to be less defined as a result.

side note, fix shields to not overtire each other, allow shields to stack together as long as they are derived from a different source, with the exception to the DRK TBN that shield should stay separate and always count as first on the priory list for damage taken to shield as its crucial to the DRK game play.

Let’s be honest here you would still be a brain off glare mage in 90 % of the
Content if they change healer dps rotations. Ff 14 content is so brain dead easy that you could clear them with 2 buttons each they just take long as hell.

[Supersnow845]

It’s funny how pervasive the “WHM is baby’s first healer” stereotype is considering it’s literally the worst healer for teaching people how to play 14’s (horribly designed) healers

[Mortex]

Like changing healer dps rotation won’t bother the people that don’t wanna play healer good anyway. We have them today with 2 dps buttons and they still don’t use them. And the people that wanna brain dead can still do it without any problem. The only people actually getting enjoyment would be healer mains having a actual dps rotation and fun tools.

[Mithron]

It’s funny how pervasive the “WHM is baby’s first healer” stereotype is considering it’s literally the worst healer for teaching people how to play 14’s (horribly designed) healers

To be fair, I'd rather have a first time healer healing Aurum Vale roulette be a WHM than a first time healer healing Aurum Vale roulette be a SGE. The chances of success are much higher with WHM when you have no idea what you're doing yet.

[Aravell]

I personally see nothing wrong with WHM being an easy to pick up healer. My question is "Why do so many people who say that WHM should be the beginner healer also want to completely block off WHM from growing as a job? Why does WHM have to have a skill ceiling as low as the floor just because it's chosen as the beginner healer?". No one has ever been able to answer that without creating strange scenarios that set the WHM up to fail. WHM can both be easy to pick up and also have a nice bit of optimisation available, it's not mutually exclusive.

Actually, I'd say ShB WHM touched on this aspect a little bit. WHM was extremely easy to pick up in ShB, but there's movement/positioning optimisation to be done, since everytime you move is a dps loss.

[Rithy255]

Actually, I'd say ShB WHM touched on this aspect a little bit. WHM was extremely easy to pick up in ShB, but there's movement/positioning optimisation to be done, since everytime you move is a dps loss.

The fact they made the cast times 1.5 I'm still seething over, like it's so small on paper but it makes Whm just feel awful, I loved it being the "healer BLM"

[Wolf_Gang]

Complex rotations doesn't make combat more engaging. Muscle memory is just going to take over.



What we need is more job responsibilities and a more reactive play style.

[Rithy255]

Complex rotations doesn't make combat more engaging. Muscle memory is just going to take over.



What we need is more job responsibilities and a more reactive play style.

You said that pretty well, In particular Tanks & Healers aren't going to feel better if all they are, are more boring easy DPS.
I do think rotations, procs or whatever can enhance that gameplay, but Healers (and tanks) need more to do in general, which could be job responsibilities.

[Mostly_Raxus]

Let’s be honest here you would still be a brain off glare mage in 90 % of the
Content if they change healer dps rotations. Ff 14 content is so brain dead easy that you could clear them with 2 buttons each they just take long as hell.

i really feel like you took a paragraph worth of words and hyper focused entirely on some of the more irrelevant to the entire point ones in the entire post.

this is why no change happens, youre just replying for a gotcha, you have nothing to add, no real talking points to the conversation, you just want to "own the chuds"

its so easy to ask for change when your offering no paths to it yourself.