I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Sebazy]

- Co-healers who never use any heals cds,never ress, never Esuna.

And again I ask. If healing was actually engaging, enjoyable and above all else consistently required even in casual endgame content do you feel that perhaps these people would actually be more inclined to pay attention to their FFXIV window rather than whatever TikTok/netflix is showing on the second screen?

*Edit* Also:

I have died to Eulogia's Eudaimon Eorzea, as DPS with full hp/zero hit prev taken - due lack of healing..

This is why I endlessly preach about the importance of saving a shadowplay recording or uploading a log when you die so that you can better understand what actually happened. You weren't at full HP, and you had a 25% vulnerability stack on you. So no, that's not what happened.

You took a vuln stack at 6:08 which was still on when you ate a ~52k hit from Eudaimon Eorzea which just about overkilled you. Without that Vuln you would have taken ~40k and lived just fine.

Curing Waltz was off cooldown and would have been enough to save you (Last used at 5:21). Shield Samba and Second Wind were both on cooldown unfortunately (I'd argue that both were kind of wasted given the big hit that was coming up but that's getting unfairly nitpicky and min-maxy for a modern 24 man).

As far as the lack of healing thing goes, you had Asylum, Medica II and a PI tick from the WHM, Lilybell had been used in the run up to the Eudaimon hit and the Sadge did a few E-Prognoses.

In the 10 seconds before you died, you received a rough total of 40k's worth of healing and the final hit overkilled you by 182 hp.

So yeah.

If you'd not eaten the 25% vuln you'd have lived just fine.
If you'd eaten pretty much any food with vit or even chugged a Healing pot you'd have scraped through.
If you'd have saved Samba for the upcoming hit you'd have been fine.
If you'd have remembered to hit curing waltz you'd have been fine.

You were the only one that died.

Are you sure it was a lack of healing?

[ty_taurus]

Are you sure it was a lack of healing?

Imagine if you had something like a bi-weekly or monthly web show of some sort where you spent 40 minutes debunking claims of people blaming the healers for not healing because they didn't see a Cure II casting. Not that that's any rational amount of work to request of someone, but I wonder if maybe that would convince at least a few people that the majority of healers aren't the pathetic toddlers who can't fit the square block in the square hole that they think they are.

[Zeastria]

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I dont think it's allowed to link logs and "badtalk" players on forums.
(player names can be seen on the logs)


You may not have notice this but, the vul % changes based on boss's ability : the ability which i died on had 13% not 25% ( I had 1 stack).
Now you know.

[ForsakenRoe]

You may not have notice this but, the vul % changes based on boss's ability : the ability which i died on had 13% not 25% ( I had 1 stack).
Now you know.

Yes, and the four hits that came before that killing blow, were at +25%, making it harder to keep your HP at a stable 'you will live through this' level. Now you know /s

Being snarky aside, this might be the first time I've seen someone with a raiding resume as illustrious as Sebazy's get told 'you don't know how to read logs, here's a lesson', quite unexpected

Point of Sebazy's post, even if it is a bit blunt in how it's worded, is there: you said you took no healing in the leadup to the final hit, you got like 150% your healthbar in healing. Just, it turns out you needed 155% of your healthbar or so, to survive, thanks to the +25% fun sticker you picked up from somewhere. But you went straight for 'the healers didn't heal', and I'd have thought that as a healer main yourself you'd know better


In unrelated news, I had a Brandihild moment of inspiration earlier re: destroying the pure/barrier split

[Sebazy]

I dont think it's allowed to link logs and "badtalk" players on forums.
(player names can be seen on the logs)


You may not have notice this but, the vul % changes based on boss's ability : the ability which i died on had 13% not 25% ( I had 1 stack).
Now you know.

It's not bad talk, it's clarification on a common sentiment which I believe is demonstrably incorrect, thus here we are.

I'm not calling you (or anyone else for that matter) out for being bad or such, I'm simply highlighting what's what and the reality behind what I suspect drives a very significant percentage of these kind of accusations against healers. So many people jump to instantly saying 'You never healed me!' as a defence mechanism rather than looking back and analysing what actually happened and seeing if there is a way to prevent it in the future which is not only a great way to improve as a player, but it's a wildly valuable life skill as well. Blame shouldn't be a central part of this, if there's a way to resolve an potential issue, why not make that adjustment?

It could absolutely be argued that those healers could have done more to save you, just as you could have done more to save yourself. But it's a 24 man, if you're not try harding yourself, it's not really fair to expect others to go above and beyond either. That's fair right?

And ya, Bole (10/10 appropriate name for the topic btw ) has the raid mitigation side covered, so no need for me to expand on that.

So yeah in closing, it's less of a trend of healers not healing and more a trend of people being quick to jump the gun and blame the healer even if it wasn't actually the healer's fault as demonstrated by your example. I've seen it in literal world prog back in FCOB, I've seen it in DF but in an even more comical situation.. We've all been there.

The alliance queue really needs a modern shakeup, the queues should backfill so you aren’t getting 5 withdraws in a row with 23/24 saying yes then starting again (especially on the rarer raids where it’s really common that if someone withdraws the roulette will then change tact and dump off the players into something else making you wait even longer)

Absolutely. Even on a busy server at decent hours, getting dumped out of the queue occasionally causes pretty big delays, it sucks if it happens repeatedly.

[Mithron]

I dont think it's allowed to link logs and "badtalk" players on forums.
(player names can be seen on the logs)

Wrong guy blaming right guys for his mistakes gets called out by good guys using righteous methods and facts then calls it "bad talk" simply because it completely counters his wrong behaviors and philosophies with no possible rebuttals, meaning he's the one who must change.

Living up to your ethos, I can see.

Back on the other topic, if doing DPS as healers was more fun, I think there would be much less need for healers wanting more to heal. In fact, I wonder if replacing some OGCD heals and buttons with DPS ones would make healing more difficult and enjoyable by forcing GCD heals more often and having to properly balance between heals and DPS.

[Rithy255]

Back on the other topic, if doing DPS as healers was more fun, I think there would be much less need for healers wanting more to heal. In fact, I wonder if replacing some OGCD heals and buttons with DPS ones would make healing more difficult and enjoyable by forcing GCD heals more often and having to properly balance between heals and DPS.

You got to the core of the issue with healers, the risk vs reward of healing isn't there, what to me makes healer fun (beyond random DPS rotation varity) is the trying to fit in as much damage as possible while keeping the party alive, when you can do both at the same time it makes the entire role feel boring.

Which is funny cause if a healer casts a heal in most dungeons they'll get cursed out. Like how hard is it for people to understand, most of our kit is both not needed and offensive to use, so either give us skills for what you've set us up to be doing or change the same so we can use the stuff you've given us without getting kicked from party.

I feel like it's the same arguement for why Paladin shouldn't be spamming clemency tbh, but those said healers would get mad at a new PLD for using it while using healing that isn't needed. In reality as a PLD i feel insulted that I get gcd healed when I have more then enough self sustain, for pretty similar reasons why a healer would get frustrated at a PLD for spamming that ability

Although most people (me included) usually just get on with the duty, if someone wants to waste time healing only or something more power to them I guess? It's likely more faster getting through the duty them making a fuss over someone not playing optimally lol.