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1. There are multiple right answers to a situation
Sometimes, sure, but there's also multiple wrong answers to a situation, which is the point of the attempt. I may not convince the person immediately in that conversation, but later down the line they may think back on it and change from the influence seed I planted before. Even if they don't, I tried, and that's what matters more.

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2. The person is too high-strung to listen.
So? Same point as 1. It's not always about changing them specifically (because you can influence other people listening in) or changing them right now. It's not even about changing them at all; it's about the attempt to.

The way I see this is the same way I would see an injured person on the road; I may not know how to save them or even if I can, but I'm still gonna try and not just "choose my battle" and walk away. Of course a video game is much different than a real life threatening situation, but the principle is still exactly the same to me.

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3. The person is a troll causing problems
Well good! These are the best kind of people to interact with because you can shut them down with good rhetoric and logic, circling them into admitting fault through a entrapment. This causes public humiliation (something most men would rather die than deal with), discredits them and makes your case look much stronger. The trolls are the best ones for helping others change. The only ammo they have is all based on logical fallacies, which is easy to counter. Ad hominem and appeal to authority are always the most common ones, I find.

The goal isn't to avoid unrest. You should have unrest in a negative environment. The goal is to attempt improvement towards a positive environment.

I'm really enjoying this discussion! It's fun to have these deeper conversations, thanks for your thoughts. It makes us all think more!