I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[RitsukoSonoda]

And yet, it's actually very complicated to implement a solution that would give you what you want, without completely destroying the casual playerbase

On the other side, adding more dps buttons and a rotation can be just as harmful to the casual playerbase, given how common the "but my dps" mindset is in people. It's very likely we'd see a huge increase in party wipes across most content due to healer's not healing because they're focused on their DPS parse.

[IDontPetLalas]

On the other side, adding more dps buttons and a rotation can be just as harmful to the casual playerbase, given how common the "but my dps" mindset is in people. It's very likely we'd see a huge increase in party wipes across most content due to healer's not healing because they're focused on their DPS parse.

Right, because somehow : healing requirements are so high in casual content (they're not), prior iterations of healers never had those extra skills (they did), SE couldn't possibly add extra skills only to higher level jobs so that it wouldn't impact newer healers (they could and do already), other jobs can't already solo content by healing the party without healers (they can and do), and of the piece de resistance - in casual content why would you even think anyone would be focused on their parse?

[RitsukoSonoda]

Right, because somehow : healing requirements are so high in casual content (they're not), prior iterations of healers never had those extra skills (they did), SE couldn't possibly add extra skills only to higher level jobs so that it wouldn't impact newer healers (they could and do already), other jobs can't already solo content by healing the party without healers (they can and do), and of the piece de resistance - in casual content why would you even think anyone would be focused on their parse?

Because stupid people focus on parses in all content. Though I'd say people pretending any scenario that doesn't support what they want doesn't exist are stupider.

[ForsakenRoe]

Because stupid people focus on parses in all content.

Indeed they do. And yet, design doesn't consider that 'player might focus on parsing over doing their job' because if it did, DRK's 2min window wouldn't be as ridiculously packed as it is

You can have a bit depth to heals abilties also you know-

Can you? Because if suggestions of 'what if we had like, one more damage button' is too much complexity for the casuals to keep up with (according to some), then the 'more depth' to healing would also be too much, surely? For example, AST's Star is more finicky to heal with than Rapture, because you have to predict the damage 10s in advance

If you want depth in your healing tools, then more depth can be suggested. But then you'll have to argue the point with Ren, because last time any 'depth in healing tool' got suggested by me, it was an AOE heal that costs gauge, gauge built by dealing damage, and he was not a fan to say the least

[Zeastria]

Can you? Because if suggestions of 'what if we had like, one more damage button' is too much complexity for the casuals to keep up with (according to some), then the 'more depth' to healing would also be too much, surely? For example, AST's Star is more finicky to heal with than Rapture, because you have to predict the damage 10s in advance

If you want depth in your healing tools, then more depth can be suggested. But then you'll have to argue the point with Ren, because last time any 'depth in healing tool' got suggested by me, it was an AOE heal that costs gauge, gauge built by dealing damage, and he was not a fan to say the least

What i define as depth isn't a gauge sadly,
the concept of filling up a bar isn't depth ( never has been, never will)..

Depth to me is:
When you can use an ability for more than just one purpose/effect,
AST actually do have this when you get to use it's full toolkit..

Like ability A buffs ability B, but also puts "X" effect if you use ability C instead..,that kind of depth..

Also Eartly Star isnt rly hard to use.,.. you use it on cd.. for the dmg...
and you pop it ealier if you need the heal ( when it's big)..otherwise you let it run out on it's own..
You could save it and use it for big raidwide dmg... but it would be a waste in my opinion ( unless it line up with one)..
Why? Because of how little uptime you would get out from it..(if you didnt use it on cd)..

And after raidwide.. there will not be another one.. giving healer plenty of time heal up with hots alone...
(unless you have new players who may step in avoidable dmg that is - you want top them up more)
However there are some later fights that do req more heal right after raidwide ..however those are few and far between ..and you can cover them with other prep heals.




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To me it seems people are to afraid to heal..
That if they no longer can spam their 1,1,1,1,1 dps button rotation and the occasual offglobal heal ability..
their whole world would fall apart..

When i put it like that:
Your typical cure1,medica2 spammer healbot - would be more usefull - ( If they changed the heal req lol)
and they're the bad casual healer players you guys speak about... and they are many..

They would thrive with the new change.. meanwhile the dps-healers would perish-- natural selection at its best.

(Don't take it serious..lol)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]Also Eartly Star isnt rly hard to use.,.. you use it on cd.. for the dmg...
and you pop it ealier if you need the heal ( when it's big)..otherwise you let it run out on it's own..
You could save it and use it for big raidwide dmg... but it would be a waste in my opinion ( unless it line up with one)..
Why? Because of how little uptime you would get out from it..(if you didnt use it on cd)[…]

Nobody says it’s hard to use. In normal content they don’t matter because you still have CO, CU, Horoscope, and Macro.

Further higher though? There are indeed times where you do need to delay putting down stars slightly to fill the gap in their toolkit while also not losing usage (I remember this fondly in first quarter of P2S), or do it anyway while hoping to draw Lady of Crown lmao. This requires the foresight that Roe speaking of, both mechanic and general kill time. You won’t see this sort of nuance in almost all normal content.

I die a little inside everytime I got paired with filler co-AST at that period who just drop their star at -4s on cooldown then scrambles their way to cover that gap with an Asp Helios when they could’ve otherwise just relied on my many free to use buttons weeks after I begin to reintegrate back to SCH.

[Zeastria]

Nobody says it’s hard to use. In normal content they don’t matter because you still have CO, CU, Horoscope, and Macro.

Further higher though? There are indeed times where you do need to delay putting down stars slightly to fill the gap in their toolkit while also not losing usage (I remember this fondly in first quarter of P2S), or do it anyway while hoping to draw Lady of Crown lmao. This requires the foresight that Roe speaking of, both mechanic and general kill time. You won’t see this sort of nuance in almost all normal content.

I die a little inside everytime I got paired with filler co-AST at that period who just drop their star at -4s on cooldown then scrambles their way to cover that gap with an Asp Helios when they could’ve otherwise just relied on my many free to use buttons weeks after I begin to reintegrate back to SCH.

In harder content you have to plan and assign heal cds in advance with your co-healer ( even more so in ultimates) - that is true.
In normal content you use star on cd

People seem to underestimate hot stacks too..
Horo-->Nautral Sect --> Apspected Helios + Celestial Opposition is kinda OP w high spell speed..
(but you would lose 2 -3 dps cast tho and the use of an offglobal cd)

[AmiableApkallu]

Your typical cure1,medica2 spammer healbot - would be more usefull - ( If they changed the heal req lol)
and they're the bad casual healer players you guys speak about... and they are many..

When I'm running my daily roulettes, if I get a functionally useless co-healer, 90% of the time, it's a Medica II spamming WHM.

• Fifteen seconds have passed? Medica II.
• Party is at 100%, and the boss is just auto-attacking the tank? Medica II.
• Seven party members at 100% and one party member at 10% because they failed a mechanic? Medica II.
• Four dead bodies on the floor? Medica II.

If I'm lucky...

• Party is at 100%, and everyone has Medica II ticking? Regen on a random party member.

The problem with a "spammer healbot" is that they, well, spam a heal with no regard for what the situation actually requires. They're functionally no different from a "dps-healer" that spams their nuke with no regard for what the situation actually requires.

A good healer actually adapts to the situation at hand.