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  1. #1
    Player
    Shurrikhan's Avatar
    登録日
    2011/09/14
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    12,882
    Character
    Tani Shirai
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    モンク Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Renathras 投稿を閲覧
    1) A lot of its healing efficiency over the course of a fight depends on damage uptime (Kardia).
    2) It has arguably the most involved damage kit aside from SCH's going balls to the wall Dissipation Energy Drain optimizing.
    3) It has the most damage actions of any of the healer Jobs.
    4) It has weaker general spot healing (though this isn't as much an issue unless you're doing low level dungeons, but in that case, you're looking at (1)).
    5) It's damage actually requires positioning where no other healer's does (Plegma being near-melee range, Pneuma requiring a facing and cast time, but mainly Plegma).
    1. Which doesn't make it more damage-focused so much as simply having fewer conflicts with its damage dealing such that it can spend of the least focus on making the most (of its) damage opportunities. (It also has competitive healing even if we exclude Kardia; SGE's free-healing is flat-out overtuned.)

    2. I said rDPS. And hitting da buttons on de CD is not even as open to nuance as Misery, let alone Cards (even the modern ones) or, as you mentioned, Dissipation+EDs.

    3. If you count Pneuma among rDPS actions, you should also count Assize, Energy Drain, and Cards. Misery, Assize, Dia, Glare vs. Peuma, Phlegma, Dosis, EuDosis.

    4. SCH oGCD direct heal: 600p. SGE oGCD direct: 700p + Miti or 600p. WHM AoE oGCD: 400p. SGE AoE oGCD: 400p. Its spot-healing is... totally fine.

    5. Fair, but I'm already counting those when saying that I don't find SGE particularly any more "damage focused" than the others. Optimizing its rDPS is, for the most part, easier than on AST or SCH (with Disp) and, for anyone familiar with melee range existing, no harder than WHM.

    Regardless, that much is largely minutia. My point is that I don't think the devs remotely succeeded in creating a "damage-focused" healer and calling SGE that feels pretty laughable to me.

    Even calling it "more" damage-focused (which, again, I don't agree is true) seems an like an argument between brown and an indistinguishably browner brown -- more likely intended for distraction/dismissal than actually productivity in any topic but "Who should get more damage focus?" (and even then, only because of what it was supposed to do, not what it's actually done).
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    2023/09/05 02:21; Shurrikhan が最後に編集

  2. #2
    Player
    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
    登録日
    2019/04/02
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    2,398
    Character
    Samantha Redgrayve
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    賢者 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Shurrikhan 投稿を閲覧
    3. If you count Pneuma among rDPS actions, you should also count Assize, Energy Drain, and Cards. Misery, Assize, Dia, Glare vs. Peuma, Phlegma, Dosis, EuDosis.
    On the one hand, you forgot Toxikon, but on the other hand, Ren's used Solace/Rapture as an example of a 'technically it's a damage action, because you have to use it to prep Misery' whenever he's compared rotational action count between now and SB WHM, so you can throw that on WHM's side too. IDK if that means you'd have to count Eukrasian Diagnosis/Prognosis because 'thats how you generate Toxikon' though, I personally wouldn't because you don't 'need' to use Toxikon if you don't need to move for example, but you'd use Misery in literally every fight, even one that had zero damage to heal, because it's a gain to prep it put it in raidbuffs

    There is nothing that makes SGE more 'damage focused' than any other healer except if you're looking only at it's potencies, and the whole 'it heals when you use damage skill' with Kardia. But as everyone's gone through a bajillion times, Kardia is, in it's current form, the absolute limpest implementation of the concept, and the stronger damage potencies on skills are not a factor because we don't look at personal DPS for healers when it comes to balance, we look at RDPS as with most other jobs. And in that regard, AST/SCH seem to end up at the top fairly often, despite AST's nuke being EIGHTY potency lower than SGE's (250 vs 330). I still remember how SCH was the 'damage focused healer', because the fairy's heals being unaffected by Cleric Stance let it stay in Cleric more. At this point, 'damage focused healer' is a hollow phrase with no real meaning, because if there were an actual 'damage focused healer', it'd have to also have the kit to be able to handle healing requirements, and so it'd become the 'it can do everything' healer and be 100% meta, and SE probably doesn't want that (if history tells us anything, they'd prefer said meta healer be SCH)
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