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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    To clarify, I'm not actually suggesting anything less than "maintain one DoT and one DPS skill". I'm suggesting that if there are healers who want a more involved DPS rotation, we should at the very least leave one healer's DPS kit the old way so that players who didn't want that additional complexity can continue to play their role at the same level of efficacy without the potential for increased expectations/criticism.
    But here's the thing: If you have only one casted nuke and one DoT, I can easily criticize you for not pushing them because it's absolutely trivial for me to look over at the party list and see whether that nuke is going off at the same approximate frequency as my own GCDs, or to check the enemy's debuffs and the timers on them. In essence, your kit gives you nothing to hide behind.

    If instead you have multiple buttons, maybe one of which is an instant that gets pushed with some relatively high frequency, maybe some or all of which tie into a gauge spender/builder thingy, then it becomes much more difficult for me to judge whether you're DPSing optimally. Maybe I didn't see a cast because you hit an instant instead. Maybe I didn't see some skill because you don't yet have the gauge for it. Your kit gives you plenty of places to hide. I'd have to specifically be gunning for you or just assert rudely, without evidence, that you need to "git gud."

    And anyone who's going to be rude in the "more buttons" scenario is assuredly going to be rude in the "fewer buttons" scenario, so there's no loss there, only a potential gain.

    (And if someone's using a third-party tool to pass judgement, nothing short of engineering the game to lock those tools out is going to be sufficient.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    But here's the thing: If you have only one casted nuke and one DoT, I can easily criticize you for not pushing them because it's absolutely trivial for me to look over at the party list and see whether that nuke is going off at the same approximate frequency as my own GCDs, or to check the enemy's debuffs and the timers on them. In essence, your kit gives you nothing to hide behind.

    If instead you have multiple buttons, maybe one of which is an instant that gets pushed with some relatively high frequency, maybe some or all of which tie into a gauge spender/builder thingy, then it becomes much more difficult for me to judge whether you're DPSing optimally. Maybe I didn't see a cast because you hit an instant instead. Maybe I didn't see some skill because you don't yet have the gauge for it. Your kit gives you plenty of places to hide. I'd have to specifically be gunning for you or just assert rudely, without evidence, that you need to "git gud."

    And anyone who's going to be rude in the "more buttons" scenario is assuredly going to be rude in the "fewer buttons" scenario, so there's no loss there, only a potential gain.
    In theory you certainly could criticize the exact cadence of a person's timing. But I'm not concerned about that for a few reasons:
    In all the casual content I've done with less-skilled players, I've never seen anyone make that kind of criticism. I've seen lots of criticism about not casting specific spells, though.

    And that's probably because "You aren't pressing your buttons at optimal times" and "You never cast Glarega" are two very different kinds of criticism. One is talking about never using a valuable part of a player's kit, while one is much more down the nitpick road. Given that difference, I don't think there's a reason to presume that in the absence of Glarega, good faith criticism about never casting Glarega would simply be replaced by good faith criticism about button timing optimization. Again, I've never seen such a criticism.
    Have you ever seen criticism like that while running a dungeon? And if so, how frequently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    In theory you certainly could criticize the exact cadence of a person's timing. But I'm not concerned about that for a few reasons:
    In all the casual content I've done with less-skilled players, I've never seen anyone make that kind of criticism. I've seen lots of criticism about not casting specific spells, though.

    And that's probably because "You aren't pressing your buttons at optimal times" and "You never cast Glarega" are two very different kinds of criticism. One is talking about never using a valuable part of a player's kit, while one is much more down the nitpick road. Given that difference, I don't think there's a reason to presume that in the absence of Glarega, good faith criticism about never casting Glarega would simply be replaced by good faith criticism about button timing optimization. Again, I've never seen such a criticism.
    Have you ever seen criticism like that while running a dungeon? And if so, how frequently?
    I wasn't talking about optimal timings. I was talking about not casting specific spells, which is exactly what you say you've seen criticized. It's easy to point out that someone isn't casting a specific spell if they have a grand total of one option to choose from. It's harder to do that when they have an interesting menu to choose from.

    But really, as far as I'm concerned, this is making a mountain out of a molehill. In 27+ months, I've never seen any individual criticized, nicely or rudely, in-game about their DPS, including my own. Heck, no one commented in-game on the absolutely atrocious DPS that led to the 14+ minute, wipe-free run of P7N that I got to experience.

    (I mean, yes, I don't doubt that rude individuals exist out there, but are they really so prevalent as to necessitate gimping healers because some poor person might discover that, yes, there are rude individuals on the Internet if you spend enough time there?)
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