Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
You could have the most interesting healing kit of the history of gaming, if the content is designed in a way that does not push it it will be useless because healing has a usefulness cap, and the game is not precisely lacking of content that does not push not even the current healing kit (like msq or normal content). On top of that due to healing being something with a usefulness cap (because if the enemy is going to deal 10k damage it's useless to heal 20k instead of those 10K) the more the gameplay evolves and players optimize the more present the 2-1-1-1-1 rotation is making the job more dull the better the player is when the opposite is what should happen.

This is leaving outside factors like how the encounters are scripted which makes this optimization (and the subsequent abundance of moments spamming 2-1-1-1-1-1) even more present.
You are talking about the healer paradox. Simply put, the better the party plays, the less healers are needed. This is true in all MMOs, at least the ones I've played.

While I'm not denying the current situation is boring, I feel the answer is to make changes to the healing kit, such as giving healers the buff/debuff abilities which damage dealers have currently. One idea I've seen bantered around is having heal spells restore a percentage of health, instead of having potencies. Perhaps, that'll address the issue of having healing spells being too powerful for the content.

As for the damage kit, it could be expanded somewhat. But, my concern is S.E. will not provide us with challenging content. That would result in healers using their damage spells most of the time. They'd be like blue mages rather than healing classes. That's why I lean toward the idea of changing the healing toolkit to make healing fun again; rather than, adding a more involved damage rotation.


Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
You can disbelieve it as much as you want but look at what happened the previous tier, the healing requirements increased drastically and a lot of healers simply left because they couldn't handle them (among other factors), no only that but if you go to the forbidden raiding website you'll see how the majority that ask for more healing have never faired well/entered in content that required that healing they ask for.
I believe two facts can be concluded from that circumstance. Bad healers will be bad and many of healers of the previous tier had become complacent because nothing prepared them for the previous difficulty. This is a tuning problem on the part of Square Enix and has nothing to do with the actual abilities those healers had at their disposal, healing or damage spells.


Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
No one is saying they should be primarily damage dealer, that's the strawman that those who don't want to engage in an actual useful discussion throw around. We ask for a better rotation, that does not mean we are damage dealers, look at healers in the past of the game and they were not only healers but also capable manage much more damage actions. There is a wide margin between dps rotation and the current 2 button rotation, we ask something closer to the middle not something all the way up to dps.
Actually, that is what people are saying. Asking for a complex damage rotation is pushing healers further into the role of green dps, especially when players are saying they have nothing to do but spam two damage buttons. If you are a class primarily pushing damage buttons, what are you? It doesn't matter how many healing abilities you have on your toolbar, if you aren't using them.


Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
See the paragraph about EW 2nd savage tier, one thing is that they know that they may have to heal, another very different is if they can handle that healing
So, the answer is to increase the number of damage spells healers cast? That makes no sense. Again, it is a tuning problem on the part of Square Enix and not an issue with what abilities healers have at their disposal. Changing the content is the solution to this issue.

The big white elephant in the room is we healers have been spoiled by the ease of the content, the potencies of our heals, the MSQ, and all the other challenges presented to us by Square Enix. That needs to be addressed before anyone starts changing healer damage rotations.