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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Obviously I’m not advocating that literally all healers should be carried through content by tanks and dps, but at the same time, the ‘healers can’t need to heal more because newbies can’t handle it’ is predicated on the idea that nobody else can help them, which I personally don’t think is true outside of extremely specific circumstances
    Yes, I would also like to believe that by the time a player reaches EX roulette they would have enough skill to meet a slightly higher challenge than what is currently offered by the game. But some insist that adding more damage buttons to the healers would cause said players to be unable to keep up, and cause wipes. So, by that token, I would argue that not only would 'more healing required' also cause said players to be unable to keep up, them being unable to keep up would not be just 'oh they might not make the enrage timer and cause wipe' (what enrage timer in EX roulette, Cagnazzo charging his ult?), it would cause literal wipes because 'I could not keep people alive because I ran out of MP/I did not know my range limits/I mismanaged CDs earlier in the fight/whatever reason'.

    And again, the point of a change that would 'solve the problem' is that it has to solve the problem in all content. It's no good if Savage requires more healing, but Ex roulette and 24mans are left alone to protect the casuals. Because then the problem still exists in those contents. A solution should be able to affect all content levels, and be impactful to those who need it's effect, and as ignoreable as possible for those who do not, or those who cannot perceive it's impact. So, slightly more involved damage rotation, potencies balanced such that Glarespamming is 90%+ of your total potential output. Those who want to go giga-sweaty in a 24man can, those who don't, can ignore it all. We've done the maths on how to make more interesting rotations, and balanced them such that 'Glarespam style' is less of a DPS loss to the design, than it's possible to lose thanks to crit variance right now. If random people on a forum for a 10year old MMO can manage to math a design like that out, SE sure should be able to

    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    I didn't mention "complex dps rotation" with the intent to make a strawman. It's in the title of this very thread.
    I know it's in the title, but we have to be careful with the phrase and the context surrounding it. 'Complex DPS rotation' and 'more complex DPS rotation' are two very different things, potentially. For example, if we were to have, on SCH:

    Bio, 30s duration
    Miasma, 24s duration
    Shadowflare, 15s duration

    That is 'more complex DPS rotation' than what we have now. But I doubt anyone would seriously call it a 'complex DPS rotation', only 'more complex than the current one'. Personally, all I'm asking for is one or two buttons on each healer. If that creates something that qualifies as a 'complex DPS rotation', then that's just sad, that such simple rotations would be considered 'actually complex' and not just 'more complex than current'
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 08-26-2023 at 02:46 AM.