I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[OdinelStarrei]

If it's true they change their healer playtester when they become too good, It's no wonder they have no proper perspective with healers. I'm not saying they should balance around top tier but clearly they have no idea what to do if there really aren't any dedicated healers.

For the last 5 years checks on balance for dungeons have been done by the same team members. The tank is a casual player, the DPS is Yoshida himself as a serious player, the other DPS is project manager M-chan, the healer is a player with experience as far as the Extreme Primal fights, but everyone ended up becoming more skilled than before. Recently the job distribution has been changed up, the healer became too good so a replacement was requested.

Source: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202203/31256409.html

I know we all had this discussion before and what not, but it slays me every time I read it. You have to laugh to prevent yourself from crying, you know what I mean?

[Nadda]

Source: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202203/31256409.html

I know we all had this discussion before and what not, but it slays me every time I read it. You have to laugh to prevent yourself from crying, you know what I mean?

That's actually quite comical. (Though I'd be quite proud of being booted from testing for being too good)

I'm not sure I want to believe the Devs are completely out of their depth in terms of design - but I have heard how they lack healer representation on more than one occasion.
Some changes to make things more interesting will be appreciated. Should be getting a new skill show case in the coming months before launch. Keep your fingers crossed.

[ty_taurus]

Source: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202203/31256409.html

I know we all had this discussion before and what not, but it slays me every time I read it. You have to laugh to prevent yourself from crying, you know what I mean?

Meanwhile, to add context, Yoshida himself is an Ultimate raider testing those dungeons as a DPS. Apparently he's not too good to consider replacing for the DPS role. So make that make sense.

[mallleable]

Potential AST dps mechanic

When you use Combust, it grants Nova Ready, and transforms into Nova. Nova is just an instant cast spell with some cleave that could potentially deal more damage against enemies suffering from Combust. Add Double Cast from PVP, and now you can now potentially Double Cast Nova.

[Aravell]

You are a snake. You were spotted and you slithered away. Such is your nature.

Uh huh, you expecting a pat on the back and someone to tell you good job?

Fun fact: Someone who attacks others instead of defending their point are rarely actually able to defend it.

If what you bolded is your actual point, then all that ranting about "the fake 1%" was entirely unnecessary and I never would've had to correct your misinformation if you never added it into your post in the first place.

But congratulations! You killed a snake! Hurrah!

[Maltothoris]

There was also this interview https://twinfinite.net/ps4/ffxiv-sha...ers-interview/ and during the whole shadowbringers tour, out of 102 questions, only 3 were pertaining to healers.

[Aravell]

Meanwhile, to add context, Yoshida himself is an Ultimate raider testing those dungeons as a DPS. Apparently he's not too good to consider replacing for the DPS role. So make that make sense.

I know people meme the heck out of him for that move, but it does make sense to replace the healer once they become good enough to heal extremes if the design goal is to make a dungeon that's easy to clear even for someone who's panicking and doesn't know what any button does.

It's not a great design goal, but it does make sense in that case, a dps being good or bad has little bearing on how easy dungeons are to heal, especially since their AoE rotations are all extremely simple.

Now I'm curious if they did their dungeon testing with a WAR or a DRK.

[ty_taurus]

I know people meme the heck out of him for that move, but it does make sense to replace the healer once they become good enough to heal extremes if the design goal is to make a dungeon that's easy to clear even for someone who's panicking and doesn't know what any button does.

It's not a great design goal, but it does make sense in that case, a dps being good or bad has little bearing on how easy dungeons are to heal, especially since their AoE rotations are all extremely simple.

Now I'm curious if they did their dungeon testing with a WAR or a DRK.

I don't completely agree. A part of testing should also include frequency of mistakes in general. An ultimate-raiding DPS is going to read information regarding the fight far more consistently than the average player, especially given his long history of familiarity with how FFXIV communicates mechanics.

Really, the problem is there shouldn't just be one group that tests these things. You should have multiple groups of testers of varying skill levels, neglecting neither the beginners nor the experts. You should want the mechanics to feel not too hard for the beginners but also not too boring for the experts. Sure the experts are going to find dungeon difficulty in general to be a lot less exciting than stuff like Savage, but there is a world of difference between a boss like Ra-la, and a boss like Frameworker (Smileton 2nd boss). The Smileton should not have released in the state was and your expert testing groups would've told you that if you had some. That doesn't mean make Smileton Dark Souls of course, but even dungeon difficulty shouldn't be that vegetative.

[Aravell]

I don't completely agree. A part of testing should also include frequency of mistakes in general. An ultimate-raiding DPS is going to read information regarding the fight far more consistently than the average player, especially given his long history of familiarity with how FFXIV communicates mechanics.

I'm not defending their testing methods, we all know how bad the results can get. Like how an average WAR+PLD team cannot clear the P8S P1 dps check pre-nerf unless they both play really well, something is definitely off about their internal testing process for sure.

It's also very likely that they only ever run with a single testing team, that's why I assume that they try and mish-mash experience levels instead of having a beginner and an expert team test the content separately. I'm assuming they keep the healer new, the tank is probably middle of the pack and the DPS are probably raiders, if Yoshida is any indication.

This obviously will give skewed results, but hey, skewed results are exactly what we're seeing.

[ty_taurus]

I'm not defending their testing methods, we all know how bad the results can get. Like how an average WAR+PLD team cannot clear the P8S P1 dps check pre-nerf unless they both play really well, something is definitely off about their internal testing process for sure.

It's also very likely that they only ever run with a single testing team, that's why I assume that they try and mish-mash experience levels instead of having a beginner and an expert team test the content separately. I'm assuming they keep the healer new, the tank is probably middle of the pack and the DPS are probably raiders, if Yoshida is any indication.

This obviously will give skewed results, but hey, skewed results are exactly what we're seeing.

But that's what I mean. It doesn't make sense to replace the healer and not the DPS because the test itself is flawed. That's not getting you clearer data or better information.