I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Sani2341]

So only players who has done (high end) Ultimates can have valid opinions now?

Infact this issue effects the Normal content the most...where the dmg output is at the lowest.
Heck... even some EXs fighs where lacking in the healing department.(in my opinion)
How are players gonna learn how to heal, be better at healing..if they never get a reason to use their healkit?.

Higher healing req = does not mean it will be harder,
It just means you're gonna be pressing your heal buttons more often.


I cant speak for Savage and Ultimates, it's content i don't do.
But that doesn't mean that my experience/observation is less valid!
( I speak about normal content, content most of us do! ).
Yes, I do know healing experience differ depending on content/group!

The issue is, as has been discussed and debated many Times, that a noteable subsection of healer players are sylphies, and when it comes to filling roulettes, players going 'its not that hard I can flex for this one'.

The tricky part is to thread the needle in a way that these players are not pushed out of playing healer or basicly swapping roles with us complaining about the status quo. While also making sure the Healer players doing savage ultimates, etc on Healer do not die of boredom in normal content.

The easiest choice for a first step would simply be rolling back the shb removal of half our dmg options, potentially at the cost of the bloated ogcd Kits.

After all the reason given for that removal was 'so healers don't feel pressured to dps'. And it mostly failed at that, seeing as most of the community does expect healers to press their broil as often as feasible.

[Aravell]

Higher healing req = does not mean it will be harder

While I personally would like it if healing requirements went up, saying that it doesn't mean it will make healing harder is false. Increasing healing requirements is the baseline of increasing the skill floor. That would be very likely to push out the healers who are barely getting by at the moment, I don't think the dev team would be willing to boost healing requirements in casual content because of that.

There's also the problem that there's no overlap between what an experienced healer sees as high healing requirements and what a newer healer sees as high healing requirements, which further complicates things.

[Sebazy]

Apparently this is peak gameplay design by the so called ffxiv forum/reddit "healer" community..
Since they don't complain about this .. they just complain about lack of dps rota, more dps abilties.. ect
(Read one and you have read them all)

I guess you're as bad at reading threads as you are spotting vuln stacks and incoming heals right?

I've been asking for things such as the return of things like boss melee crits, auto attacks through castbars and mini instacast tank busters on timers literally for years now. Want me to grab some logs for that too?

[Zeastria]

I guess you're as bad at reading threads as you are spotting vuln stacks and incoming heals right?

That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

What?

The argument in question about 25 pages ago (click on the tiny blue icon to get to the posts directly):

[...]Are you sure it was a lack of healing?

It's not bad talk, it's clarification on a common sentiment which I believe is demonstrably incorrect, thus here we are[...]

That's it? "DPS taking 1 vuln stack = lost cause"? That was never her point. Please, at least try to abide your own signature rules that you wrote yourself.

Selective comprehension at its best.

[Mithron]

That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

Is this "guy" always wrong?

[Sebazy]

That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

Link where I said you were a lost cause because of 1 vuln stack. I’ll be waiting.

Personally, If I was one of those healers, I expect I would have saved you because I’d have tetra/Benisoned which would have been more than enough (remember, you died by something like 180hp). But if I was in your situation and died, I would also be able to accept that with the vuln stack was my own doing and as such, it’s not fair to hold other players to a higher standard than I myself was playing at.

TLDR, your reading comprehension is utterly awful and the point is clearly being missed here.

Do you honestly think you need to ST heal someone whom has 1 vuln stack to keep them alive?

At this particular point in time with these circumstances? The math says yes clearly

HOWEVER

If you had even a little more gear, had bothered to use food or the group (healers and yourself included) had have had slighter better CD and mitigation timing, you’d have likely been fine.

My point wasn’t that this was entirely your fault. My point was rather, the healers weren’t to blame like you tried to suggest.

YOU claimed that you received no heals. YOU claimed that you were at full HP

I simply demonstrated that you did actually get healing, that you weren’t actually at full HP (because you had a vuln stack that meant you were the only one in the group that wasn’t topped) and lastly, you were the only person that died. If the healers were sleeping, more people should have died no?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Is 1-2-3 combos are the only thing that people can come up with these days? Lmao

[Aravell]

Is 1-2-3 combos are the only thing that people can come up with these days? Lmao

Seems to be a 50/50 on whether we want a 1-2-3 combo or a BLM rotation honestly. I guess we say a lot of words but we actually only want either of those 2 options? Seems they know us better than we know ourselves.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Honestly it’s like reading through a chatGPT generated response.

On the topic on hand though… there are already several suggestions within this thread alone. Many more littered elsewhere (a lot more in the dreaded healer subforum). But here’s one of the most recent one that ForsakenRoe laid out not any longer than 10 days ago: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6403946

Geez people… read lol. No wonder to this day people still don’t know Zoe boosts Pneuma/Krasis is OP when used on conjunction with Haima/thinking Recitation is only for spreadlo