I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[ThaCa]

I think both tanking and healing would be massively more engaging if it applied cyclical desing, where healing or mitigating builds towards big dps buttons and general dpsing builds towards big heal buttons. As it is, it's just minimizing the gcd healing and mapping out the ogcds and pressing 1 for majority of the fights.

[Supersnow845]

I think at this point all of us who are constantly on here have actually given up hope anything will change and now just vent

Ask me, ask sebazzy, ask aravell, ask Reiner, ask Forsaken, ask Ty, we’ve all given enough points on our opinions for current design, problems and future direction to make LOTR blush and none of it goes anywhere

At this point we are tired and are just at the point of venting

[Mithron]

I think at this point all of us who are constantly on here have actually given up hope anything will change and now just vent

Ask me, ask sebazzy, ask aravell, ask Reiner, ask Forsaken, ask Ty, we’ve all given enough points on our opinions for current design, problems and future direction to make LOTR blush and none of it goes anywhere

At this point we are tired and are just at the point of venting

It's still the morally correct thing to do; to continue venting, asking, posting, and being an overall annoyance to the devs and/or community (the ones that are wrong in the community, of course) until it happens, even if it doesn't ever happen.

[Eisi]

It's still the morally correct thing to do; to continue venting, asking, posting, and being an overall annoyance to the devs and/or community (the ones that are wrong in the community, of course) until it happens, even if it doesn't ever happen.

Mithron, complain because you like it, not because you think you have some moral obligation towards the game or it's players or the devs. You don't. Nobody cares.

In fact I think morality comes into play when you have to convince yourself that there is still a good reason to continue even though you long since lost all enjoyment with it. You should love shitting on the game. It shouldn't be a heckin' moral burden.

[Deceptus]

It's still the morally correct thing to do; to continue venting, asking, posting, and being an overall annoyance to the devs and/or community (the ones that are wrong in the community, of course) until it happens, even if it doesn't ever happen.

I think what's worse is that when the lead developer does see our frustrations, the question is highly mistranslated and he brushes them off: "If you want more engaging content go play ultimate".

[Mithron]

If you like the game and want it to be better, then you have a moral obligation to continue pushing to make it better in whatever way you can. Ideally you'd force positive change with organized armed revolution, but since this is just a video game it's not worth that. Of course you can quit, but at that point you don't really like the game or want it to be better. It's more of a "I don't care either way" feeling, which you no longer have the moral obligation. And that's fine too because it's just a video game, not politics. But if you still like the game or want it to be better, then you do have that moral obligation to be a constant about it. To voice, to influence, to annoy, whatever it is, do it. It's not about what other people think, it's not about who cares or who doesn't, it's not even about being successful in actually changing the game or not. It's about doing the right thing because it's right. Which is exactly what honor and integrity is about; it has nothing to do with what others think about you or SE being a business or any other external variable.

I loved what this game was, I hate what it's became and is becoming. I do not want to see a game that I considered to be an actual good FF and an actual good MMO both go down without me at least trying against it. Whether I'm successful or not is irrelevant. All that matters is that I tried, and at some point when it's too far gone, then I can stop caring and then stop supporting it or trying. FFXIV isn't too far gone yet, but it's getting there.

[Tigore]

Funny thing is, we actually have a movie that illustrates this point. Not the source we would expect it to be from, but there nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO5gXBF559I

Of course, it is more complicated than simply doing the same thing over and over again. There are times we must choose our battles too. We can't help someone who doesn't want our help at all. But even knowing this, nobody is going to know what we want or need if we don't even try to say anything to begin with. We at least need to try since there is a whole crowd of people to sift through.

[Mithron]

There are times we must choose our battles too. We can't help someone who doesn't want our help at all.

I never really agreed with this mindset because the battle has already been chosen for you, and even if they don't want to be helped, it's still your obligation to at least plant the seed by attempting. He who is not angry when there is just cause for anger is immoral, and he who doesn't attempt to help when help is clearly needed is also immoral. Whether you help them or not is irrelevant, it's fact you tried. Somebody somewhere is depending on you to do what only you can do, even if you judge them as not wanting your help at all. Sometimes, it's not even by helping the guy who doesn't want to be helped, but rather in your attempt to help is when someone else sees that attempt and you influence and help them from watching your actions and words. Like arguing with a guy in public; that guy may never change, but the points you make and bring up and say has everyone else around you listening and you may be changing and influencing them, saying exactly what they needed you to say but you'd never know.

Your voice is useless if you don't use it.

[Tigore]

I think we are in more agreement than you realize here, but sure. I can elaborate on the point you quoted, Mithron. There are currently 3 reasons I can think of where we may need to consider walking away for choosing our battles.


1. There are multiple right answers to a situation

In this case scenario, there is likely little reason to antagonize the person you are disagreeing with. You can still share your ideas, but you may need to agree to disagree.


2. The person is too high-strung to listen

This one can be a case-by-case basis for what is happening. Maybe the person hates admitting something is wrong with what they are doing. It could have been the right answer in the past with times changing (which happens a lot for MMO expansions changing classes). Maybe the person has been a victim of too many narcissists gas-lighting them. Whatever the case, the first step to solving the problem is usually for the person to admit something is wrong in the first place. If their pride is still in the way while they argue with you, everyone else may just see 2 angry people causing unrest. It may end up consuming too much of your time away from your real life duties since these types of arguments may make the person more resistant to listening as they get more angry. If there is any chance for them to listen, they will need to calm down first. Sometimes that requires walking away temporarily to think things over for both parties.


3. The person is a troll causing problems

Not much can be done when you are contending with this type of person. Their goals are typically to cause unrest and / or receive attention through negative behavior. It's usually best to ignore them and continue your conversation with the other people like as if the troll is not there. Report the troll if they start walking across too many grey lines to break the ToS if you have to.