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  1. #1
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    ICountFrom0's Avatar
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    Zedlizvez Mikasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flana View Post
    The major difference is that everyone knows about Bahamut, and thus the workaround makes sense. You can travel to Cartaneu regardless of your coil status and attune to the residual aether their while focusing on Bahamut's attributes in order to complete the ritual. If you didn't do coil, you have no idea Phoenix even exists. There is no way for you to attune to Phoenix's aether specifically, let alone know what attributes and abilities it even had. They literally wrote in you pulling an entire primal out of your butt with no real reasoning to accommodate a lack of coil progress.

    And if you did do coil then SE just retconned the WoL into an asshole for both crapping on Luisouix's final wish that no one ever learns about Phoenix as a primal so they aren't tempted to call on it and for parading the corrupted reminder of their closest allies' beloved grandfather to do fat damage.

    The whole thing was an awful idea from a story point of view but they did it anyways just for the spectacle.
    I'll give you credit for this.

    Personally, a really strong single hit with odin would be likley as a next step.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flana View Post
    Coil is also a side story and they bent themselves backwards to retcon a reason in for Phoenix to exist. SE hasn't cared about Summoner lore in years anyways, they can just throw whatever in and as long as it looks cool people will go nuts for it for another 4-5 months before realizing what a vapid mess it is once again.
    I agree coils is a side story but it’s probably the single most important side story in the game to the point that if it wasn’t a savage tier raid they would have made it compulsory by now

    Coils is just the progression of legacy’s fall of dalamud storyline whos implications run parallel to the 2.0 originated MSQ

    I agree that the SMN lore makes no sense for why Phoenix is a demi but I do think a distinction needs to be drawn between coils and Alexander in terms of “are they side content”
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    If they pick Odin, would be cool if we summon the blade and become Odin for 15s, gaining mount movement speed but all our attacks are melee-ranged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva. Long missing and overdue.

    Good King Moogle-Mog would be a fun addition too.
    Wasn’t talking about the primals attached to the demi summons. Was talking about an actual new Demi-primal. I’m sure we will get shiva, ramuh and Levi after Phoenix phase. That’s sure to be a given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Why "safe to say"?

    Besides the most literal "it's not dangerous to say something might happen", what reason is there to specifically think there's a good chance of getting another?

    Also, being limited to a side story quest, Alexander would be unlikely to get added as an egi.
    It’s me manifesting it lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    If they pick Odin, would be cool if we summon the blade and become Odin for 15s, gaining mount movement speed but all our attacks are melee-ranged.
    I like it that as well but was actually thinking we summon Odin and also gain a sword and attach along with him. All melee range attacks.
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Personally, I think it would be cool if SMN got a Shiva Trance like Bahamaut and Phoenix.
    Seeing as we can know up to two Shivas personally, it just makes sense to me that Shiva should get special treatment. (*´▽`*)
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    Lance Yggdrasill
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    what we need is Amethyst Ramuh Sapphire Leviathan and Diamond Shiva I hope.
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    ALEXANDER BABY. ROBOT TIME GOES BOOM!
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    Lilimo Limomo
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    Hmmm, it might be fun if after Phoenix was cast, Garuda, Titan, and Ifrit were replaced with other Summons until Bahamut was cast. In which cast I'd just love to see the classics: Shiva, Ramuh, and Leviathan. Seeing 8 summons every 2 minutes would be cool ^^
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