Latest Official Developer Statements About Healer DPS?

[Sebazy]

Yes. Sebazy, I'll ask again, what's happened to you? Are you having irl troubles? You're being...very different than normal. Or ever.

Best not let your temper get the better of you sir.

I'm not sure I've specifically stated at any point that 'people at the time of SB were happy Cleric Stance was removed'? I know full well that was a hugely divisive change. Even within my own static, I was low key glad it was gone and it suited my cautious playstyle well, meanwhile I also appreciated that my MLG co-healer who was world top 10 material was gutted to see it go as they would find things monotonous without it.

and ever since, you've been providing support for the first of those instead, which is a different argument.

And this is exactly why you are derided on these boards. Are you lying to yourself or are you lying to us? Which is it? How can you actually see a list of me linking every single page 1 WHM PoV for the then current and notoriously rough SB alliance raid showing the lot of them, co healers included all DPSing away to some extent and somehow take that as me making an argument that people were happy to see cleric stance removed? Is this some kind of desperate deflection because as per usual, your understanding of this game and it's history is clearly incorrect and once again, you're getting called out on it?

I don't even have to fall back onto your funny little slidecasting or 1T1H2D clears dungeons faster than 1T3D quotes. Here's another family favourite:

WHM, on the other hand, is oddly complete by comparison; its SB incarnation with the major issues it had at the time (MP economy, competitive damage with the other Healers, and a viable GCD healing model) all fixed.

If your historical understanding of the game is bad enough that you think that WHM had MP problems after Thin Air was added, then again, this is entirely a you problem (You probably weren't pressing thin air).

So no, sorry to disappoint, my stance is still very firmly that 'healer dpsing and the expectations around it shifted from a minority to a majority with Stormblood'. *You* might not have felt that way, but that doesn't mean the majority shared your view. You only have to compare that healer dps thread I linked from SB to just about any earlier incarnation from ARR or HW to see the difference in general mentality towards it.

I also find it hilarious your posts with you AGREEING WITH ME are getting likes because people that hate me think you're disagreeing with me and upvoting you saying I'm right. XD

Whatever helps you sleep at night sir =(

[Supersnow845]

I agree 100% coils healer DPS was by far the minority (and probably contributed the fights that actually did have hard enrages (like 6 or 11) just never physically seeing them being because you blew you them away; gordias forced raiders into that design philosophy but it didn’t really affect casual players at the time (especially with cleric stance as it was) SB marked the game wide movement of expectations to favour healers doing DPS at all levels of content

[Maltothoris]

Just bringing this back back to remind people of yoshi-p's failures when it comes to healing and the like.

[Sebazy]

This was a good thread++

[Maltothoris]

What I remember kind of being funny was the original thread that was posted about the 2017 statement got locked https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4182235

Funny how yoshi-p wanted mr happy to reiterate that point and yet everything they've done has actively backed people away from that point.

[OdinelStarrei]

What I remember kind of being funny was the original thread that was posted about the 2017 statement got locked https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4182235

Funny how yoshi-p wanted mr happy to reiterate that point and yet everything they've done has actively backed people away from that point.

Ahahahahaha! You mean they really told people they were locking threads when people just kept insulting each other for hundreds of pages and they actually said "thanks" for feedback no one on the job design team is listening to? How quaint!

We really be out here having the same debates for over half a decade.

The more things change, the more they stay the same, I guess.

[Aravell]

What I remember kind of being funny was the original thread that was posted about the 2017 statement got locked https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4182235

Funny how yoshi-p wanted mr happy to reiterate that point and yet everything they've done has actively backed people away from that point.

It's never been mandatory to do damage as a healer in casual content (and in some cases, even extremes), and yet some people act like you just threatened to eat their first-born child when you tell them they shouldn't be able to have maximum contribution from just mashing one singular button for 70% of the fight.

[Maltothoris]

It's never been mandatory to do damage as a healer in casual content (and in some cases, even extremes), and yet some people act like you just threatened to eat their first-born child when you tell them they shouldn't be able to have maximum contribution from just mashing one singular button for 70% of the fight.

True but some people took this as they didn't need to do dps in savage fights.

[ty_taurus]

Regardless, I would really appreciate a transparent discussion about what they actually want of the healers, how that correlates to the experience of playing a healer in solo content, normal content, and hardcore content, and how they feel about the unrelenting criticism the healer role continues to receive from at least a modest subset of players as well as if they plan to ever do anything about it, and if not, why?

For example, if they really want Sage to be the healer designed for players with criticism like ours, what are their thoughts on Sage failing to satiate our community of players? At the very least, why not open up communication with the community on how to develop Sage as a healer for players like us? Since they don't seem capable of doing it on their own, collecting feedback specifically from players upset with the state of healers could help them redirect Sage to be that answer. Of the people who aren't happy with healer design, I know just making Sage the healer designed for what we're looking for is not the answer most want, including myself (though I will admittedly be content with that outcome), but it's something.

[Aravell]

Regardless, I would really appreciate a transparent discussion about what they actually want of the healers, how that correlates to the experience of playing a healer in solo content, normal content, and hardcore content, and how they feel about the unrelenting criticism the healer role continues to receive from at least a modest subset of players as well as if they plan to ever do anything about it, and if not, why?

For example, if they really want Sage to be the healer designed for players with criticism like ours, what are their thoughts on Sage failing to satiate our community of players? At the very least, why not open up communication with the community on how to develop Sage as a healer for players like us? Since they don't seem capable of doing it on their own, collecting feedback specifically from players upset with the state of healers could help them redirect Sage to be that answer. Of the people who aren't happy with healer design, I know just making Sage the healer designed for what we're looking for is not the answer most want, including myself (though I will admittedly be content with that outcome), but it's something.

The biggest concern is that they take the fact that SGE is popular to mean that SGE has managed to satisfy us and they'll now continue this design path. It's really hard to know what they're thinking as they don't actually communicate with us clearly and they seem to be taking great pains to avoid any and all questions pertaining to healers or job design in general.