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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
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    I mean… isn’t that what ShB pruning and EW simplification had done? Moving and adding a lot recovery potency to oGCD/DPS neutral options so that you don’t need to lose DPS?

    Where does that take us now if it’s not pairing us with those very same ‘barse minded’ healers you see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I mean… isn’t that what ShB pruning and EW simplification had done? Moving and adding a lot recovery potency to oGCD/DPS neutral options so that you don’t need to lose DPS?

    Where does that take us now if it’s not pairing us with those very same ‘barse minded’ healers you see?
    This correlation is what far too many people fail to realize. Speaking for myself, I optimize healing to the point of trying to zero GCD PF not for a parse but because it's legitimately the only way I find the role fun. When I figured out how to slide cast through Acts 1 and 2 of P4S without needing anything but Sprint and Phlegma, it was oddly exhilarating if only because I needed to be precise spots and do very quick movement for it all to work. In retrospect, it's sad that was the most fun aspect of playing a healer in that fight... not the actual healing. Granted, getting Act 4 down to where I wasn't touching a GCD was also fun.

    Point being, if parsing magically disappeared tomorrow, I'd still prefer playing healers like that for the most part because otherwise the role is incredibly boring. Give me a genuine realize to use my healing GCDs and I'll drop the Dosis casts without much thought. Trying to salvage a near wipe can also be exhilarating but it's often not worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I mean… isn’t that what ShB pruning and EW simplification had done? Moving and adding a lot recovery potency to oGCD/DPS neutral options so that you don’t need to lose DPS?

    Where does that take us now if it’s not pairing us with those very same ‘barse minded’ healers you see?
    All existing oGCD options are timed/resource based. There is no spammable oGCD heals. This means that if the party is taking enough damage replacing glare with GDC heal becomes unavoidable. This is big healer design flaw that must be addressed before healer DPS rotation can be implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    All existing oGCD options are timed/resource based. There is no spammable oGCD heals. This means that if the party is taking enough damage replacing glare with GDC heal becomes unavoidable. This is big healer design flaw that must be addressed before healer DPS rotation can be implemented.
    Spammable oGCD healing would send the skill ceiling hurtling through the floor so quickly it could sink a ship
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Spammable oGCD healing would send the skill ceiling hurtling through the floor so quickly it could sink a ship
    Skill ceiling would be purely about dps then, like for tanks where mitigation and aggro management is braindead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Skill ceiling would be purely about dps then, like for tanks where mitigation and aggro management is braindead.
    The tanks still have to at least consider how they stagger and organise their CD’s around damage and the CD’s

    A spammable oGCD heal Is just insanely powerful because you can weave it after everything, all other healing skills become useless you would just go glare^heal->glare^heal->dia^heal heal->glare, at that point you could macro it to a foot pedal like we used to do with HW embrace and suddenly you aren’t even a healer anymore

    The problem is the fact that oGCD’s are too powerful, a GCD heal’less run should be impossible, we literally had this design till ShB, why are we acting like it’s impossible, people feel like casting a GCD heal is gimping their DPS BECAUSE it’s possible to do a GCD heal’less run (whether not casting a GCD heal when it’s needed is griefing or not is irrelevant to the point)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The tanks still have to at least consider how they stagger and organise their CD’s around damage and the CD’s
    Debatable nowadays. Since tank mitigation has been homogenized and streamlined to an extreme there really isn't anything to consider, at most you might have to figure out if you use Rampart first or Vengeance/Bulwark/Nebula/Shadow Wall, everything afterwards is basically on autopilot because busters HAVE to be staggered in such a way that it always aligns with 90-120 seconds.

    Sure you can optimize it, maybe you can kitchensink the first buster because you won't need Rampart until the next one in like 2 minutes, or you can save it for heavy auto attacks (like parts of M4s phase 2).
    But is it necessary? The last time I remember where staggering defensives correctly was actually necessary was back in Stormblood, you know, before the tank cooldown homogenization.
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