Latest Official Developer Statements About Healer DPS?

[Renathras]

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Funny thing, I've always been respectful in interactions with you, and generally respected your expertise while agreeing with you on many points - not all, mind you, but many. Yet now, you've decided as of yesterday, for me committing the crime of agreeing with something specific someone else said that is literally something I've been saying for months/years now, that I'm your personal enemy. Now you're being hyper snarky for no good reason (being a dick, basically) because you decided to blow a gasket for me daring to agree with someone agreeing with me - for once - in the healer forum.

I don't get it, but whatever. Perhaps you thought while I was alone and isolated, I wasn't a threat, and now that others are agreeing with me, I am, and so must be destroyed, but I honestly don't know. It has been a STARK and noticeable change on your part, though.

So as for your comments:

1) I won't rehash the slidecasting to - yet again - point out you and the rest of the mob got that wrong (surprise surprise) and just didn't read what I wrote AND ignored the clarification I made because you'd rather just be a dick about it like the rest. So it's pointless to try and convince any of you to change your mind since you think it nettles me to bring it up and won't surrender that dickishness. So moving on...

2) I did, in fact, have AND USE Cleric. I used Cleric when soloing and doing the MSQ outright, and I also used it when it was safe to do so in dungeons and stuff that I did at the time. I'm both aware of Cleric AND aware of what it does AND I was a proficient user of it before SB. Where did I say it DIDN'T change in SB? I said ShB is when healer DPS became (effectively) one button, and THAT was when healers DPSing became the norm in all level cap content. Again, I'll point out that you said "endgame" not "Savage". So this doesn't "prove" your point that healers doing damage became the expected norm in SB. And you "proving" Cleric changed isn't relevant, since I didn't challenge that point. Where did I say "Cleric didn't change in SB, it changed in ShB!!!"? Oh, right - I didn't. (Though I suppose we can note it was removed, but...neither of us were arguing that point). So this proves nothing, since that point wasn't under contest.

3) "links" - What are you arguing here? Where did I say that Cleric wasn't changed in SB? I'm asking you to prove that ShB wasn't where healer DPS became common and expected in endgame, it was SB. You didn't prove that. You just proved that Cleric was changed in SB, a point I agree with since...why wouldn't I? It's history and a fact. It IS funny, though, how thoroughly those links prove that Cleric Stance was a bad ability and people were literally cheering when it was removed as a toggle, something current people here insist is untrue and all insist that Cleric was the height of healer game design... So thanks for proving me right, I guess?

4) Aww, is poor baby mad that I called her bluff?

5) The very thing I asked you to prove was that SB was when dpsing healers became the majority. You instead proved that Cleric Stance was changed away from a toggle. That's not the same thing. That's you doing the "Instructions Unclear" meme.

6) Psst, where did I say failing to maintain 100% DoT and AF uptime locked you out of your DPS kit?

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You're still up: You didn't prove the thing I asked you to PROVE - that healing being the majority in all endgame content (remember, this includes roulettes) was the norm in SB.

You "proved" a point not contested - that Cleric was changed then - and you proved a point I've long said despite your typical posse here harping on me for it - that Cleric was a bad ability not good game design (my typical wording is "the single most rose tinted goggles ability in all of MMO history" or similar).

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You did not prove the point actually contested - that dpsing on healers in ALL endgame content became the mainstream/norm/majority in SB and not ShB.

So...try again?

Or, perhaps, realize the truth: You can't prove it. Without data that we both know you don't have, it's not a claim you CAN prove.

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If you narrow your scope, you could be right, btw. If we're talking only Savage content, then it probably is true that Healer DPS was the norm in SB (if not a bit before, since some Alex fights mathematically required it, Dev intention or no). But that isn't what you said and isn't what I asked for proof of. What I'm asking you to prove is that the majority in all endgame content were dpsing and that it was the expectation and norm by that point. Something that - hint hint - isn't provable.

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EDIT:

To address your edited addition:

You have 5 anecdotes (including one REALLY dickish tank). So are you suggesting that SB's playerbase was only 9 (or less) people? Because 5 is only a majority in a group of 9 or less...

But if you really want to use THAT - god no, but whatever - then look at ShB and I'll bet you find a lot more.

Again, what you claimed isn't something you can actually prove. You can try to support it, but you're not going to be able to do much more than anecdote because you don't have any statistical data to prove it.